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Homebrewale · Mar 22, 2018

The new policy, announced Thursday, prohibits the sale of firearms to customers who have not passed a background check or who are younger than 21. It also bars the sale of bump stocks and high-capacity magazines. It would apply to clients who offer credit cards backed by Citigroup or borrow money, use banking services or raise capital through the company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/business/citigroup-gun-control-policy.html

woodmoose · Mar 22, 2018

well half their "new measures" are eyewash,,,,"prohibits the sale of firearms to customers who have not passed a background check" - since I doubt many private sales are done via credit card,,,,,

got to love that garbage

Mr.Gadget · Mar 22, 2018

Homebrewale said:
The new policy, announced Thursday, prohibits the sale of firearms to customers who have not passed a background check or who are younger than 21. It also bars the sale of bump stocks and high-capacity magazines. It would apply to clients who offer credit cards backed by Citigroup or borrow money, use banking services or raise capital through the company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/business/citigroup-gun-control-policy.html

So what do they plan to do? Require a list of all.sales items and not just the Dollar amount...
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Screw Citigroup

woodmoose · Mar 22, 2018

excellent point Sir

Mr.Gadget · Mar 22, 2018

Dont use many CC other than online orders or gas....
If they start data mining then it is all over.
Dont need anything that bad...

300BlkoutLivesMatter · Mar 22, 2018

Cancelled my card with them today. I did enjoy the price rewind benefit while it lasted.

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nckeith · Mar 23, 2018

Citi bank to restrict gun sales

Full details in article, but this is out of hand. No gun sales to those under 21,no high capacity magazines, no bump stocks etc. impacts their merchant accounts and credit cards.
Until their is a federal law raising gun purchases to 21 I hope they get sued also. Liberals love making businesses doing stuff like bake cakes, provide abortions, restrict prayer etc. let’s see how they like it the other way.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...siness-partners-restrict-gun-sales/449181002/

sky hawk · Mar 23, 2018

This is the kind of stuff that was mentioned a couple weeks ago, that can get ugly fast. Banks trying to bypass our nation's laws and initiate their own de facto legislation for their own customers through bank policy. It's not a big deal if one bank does it, but if it catches on, it will get stupid.

Mr.Gadget · Mar 23, 2018

In a way it is discrimination.

Ldsoldier · Mar 23, 2018

And it won’t change a damn thing.

bwfarms · Mar 23, 2018

"We have waited for our grief to turn into action and see our nation adopt common-sense measures that would help prevent firearms from getting into the wrong hands," Edward Skyler, a Citigroup executive vice president, wrote in a corporate blog post in which he cited "too many" U.S. acts of gun violence."

From the article. Please explain how a 17 year old who can't buy a gun by law, yet circumvents gun laws and still shoots people. Oh, I know, he steals his father's legally purchase gun. Ain't theft and obtaining property by false pretenses already illegal? Criminals will do as criminals do.

FYI CITI GROUP can go suck a stick.

waymoe1 · Mar 23, 2018

Will there be a point where people like us take a stand? Will there be a point when we organize against this left leaning policies and actually take a stand for freedom. How bad will we let it get? When will we start running for local and federal elections to make positive change for freedom and whats right? And by we I main us the silent majority!

Firefly · Mar 23, 2018

The commies are coming out of the woodwork now. Nah, people like us won't step up and take a stand against all this crap. Then when we are finally stripped of our rights everyone will stop and look at each other and say,,what the heck happened..It will get much worse IMO when the DemoRATS take back the house and senate this fall...

Mr.Gadget · Mar 23, 2018

Can anyone find a list if all the stores or companies that use Citigroup for credit services.

Looks like Costco, AA, Expedia are a few.

Looks like rates are in the 16 to 25% so I know I would have never had on to start with.

woodmoose · Mar 23, 2018

nckeith said:
Full details in article, but this is out of hand. No gun sales to those under 21,no high capacity magazines, no bump stocks etc. impacts their merchant accounts and credit cards.
Until their is a federal law raising gun purchases to 21 I hope they get sued also. Liberals love making businesses doing stuff like bake cakes, provide abortions, restrict prayer etc. let’s see how they like it the other way.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...siness-partners-restrict-gun-sales/449181002/

homebrewale beat ya to the punch

waymoe1 · Mar 23, 2018

Firefly said:
The commies are coming out of the woodwork now. Nah, people like us won't step up and take a stand against all this crap. Then when we are finally stripped of our rights everyone will stop and look at each other and say,,what the heck happened..It will get much worse IMO when the DemoRATS take back the house and senate this fall...

So there is no hope then? Might as well give up now and get it over with?

Firefly · Mar 23, 2018

waymoe1 said:
So there is no hope then? Might as well give up now and get it over with?

Well I will ask you this..Just how many including myself do you see out there protesting our rights being taken away? If there is a so called silent majority out there I surely do not see them..On the other hand liberals are protesting by the thousands and taking over as much as they can in our every day life and have been for quite some time now...So now u decide...

chef · Mar 23, 2018

so because you don't agree morally with a guaranteed constitutional right you can decide on moral grounds to deprive someone of that right?

sounds alot like not baking a gay cake, huh?

Homebrewale · Mar 23, 2018

woodmoose said:
homebrewale beat ya to the punch

I was trying to beat a different person.

Billy · Mar 23, 2018

waymoe1 said:
Will there be a point where people like us take a stand? Will there be a point when we organize against this left leaning policies and actually take a stand for freedom. How bad will we let it get? When will we start running for local and federal elections to make positive change for freedom and whats right? And by we I main us the silent majority!

I don't think that will happen because it's too much trouble. The easiest thing any of us can do is join the NRA and let them fight the battle for us. The GREAT majority won't even do that, they just whine. There are no hard numbers, thank goodness, but estimates are about 50 million gun owners in the US. NRA has roughly 5 million members. That infuriates me.

waymoe1 · Mar 23, 2018

Billy said:
I don't think that will happen because it's too much trouble. The easiest thing any of us can do is join the NRA and let them fight the battle for us. The GREAT majority won't even do that, they just whine. There are no hard numbers, thank goodness, but estimates are about 50 million gun owners in the US. NRA has roughly 5 million members. That infuriates me.

I totally agree on that ,and that its lots of trouble. But im just wondering where we draw the line and stand up! I mean hell didnt our for fathers draw a line a and finally stand up? It upsets me to know end, when i read all these quotes complaining and there is no one wanting to do anything. I include myself in a lot of that, with being busy you know working and all and raising a kid. But dang? when do we stop getting walked on and start standing up for whats right and making our voices heard some how some way. I never thought I would see a day when there is no fight in us.
''Just for example" I mean really, how many members does this sight have? could we not organize and go to Raleigh for the day?
Why hasnt the NRA organized a march on the swamp. Just saying im getting to the point where im ready to make my voice heard in someway. Before there is nothing left. At least i could lay there and say i tried.

lewis9378449 · Mar 23, 2018

chef said:
so because you don't agree morally with a guaranteed constitutional right you can decide on moral grounds to deprive someone of that right?

sounds alot like not baking a gay cake, huh?

Funny you mention that. I've been thinking about the same thing over the past few days and have been conflicted.

In the case of the wedding cake and the merchant, I felt it was the merchants right to decide not to sell to a certain demographic. Now merchants are choosing to not sell guns and gun related items to a certain demographic (under 21 for example).
If I agreed it was ok for the baker to "choose his customers", isn't it hypocritical of me say Walmart, Citicorp, Dicks, YouTube, etc. cant choose to not do business with a particular demographic?

I'm not arguing the legality of various opinions of what's discrimination and what's not. I'm just saying I cant have it both ways.

chef · Mar 23, 2018

lewis9378449 said:
Funny you mention that. I've been thinking about the same thing over the past few days and have been conflicted.

In the case of the wedding cake and the merchant, I felt it was the merchants right to decide not to sell to a certain demographic. Now merchants are choosing to not sell guns and gun related items to a certain demographic (under 21 for example).
If I agreed it was ok for the baker to "choose his customers", isn't it hypocritical of me say Walmart, Citicorp, Dicks, YouTube, etc. cant choose to not do business with a particular demographic?

I'm not arguing the legality of various opinions of what's discrimination and what's not. I'm just saying I cant have it both ways.

My point was the same liberal court judges that thought the former was not ok, are going to have their same rulings jammed down their throat by any lawyer worth a nickel representing this case.

sky hawk · Mar 23, 2018

lewis9378449 said:
Funny you mention that. I've been thinking about the same thing over the past few days and have been conflicted.

In the case of the wedding cake and the merchant, I felt it was the merchants right to decide not to sell to a certain demographic. Now merchants are choosing to not sell guns and gun related items to a certain demographic (under 21 for example).
If I agreed it was ok for the baker to "choose his customers", isn't it hypocritical of me say Walmart, Citicorp, Dicks, YouTube, etc. cant choose to not do business with a particular demographic?

I'm not arguing the legality of various opinions of what's discrimination and what's not. I'm just saying I cant have it both ways.

While it certainly is a good thought to consider, there is a bit of difference there. In the cake situation, they are asking for a custom product to be created. They aren't just walking in and picking one out from behind the glass, and then been refused the sale. It's like a Christian book store being sued for not selling porn magazines. Now if they refused to sell a book off of their shelf to someone based on demographics, that is wrong.

The banking situation can certainly have gray areas, because the products they are selling are financially backing other products, which they have no control over. However, unlike a baker, the service they provide is a standard service to all customers to either use or not use their products. They aren't creating custom products for gun sellers. To deny their service to a particular demographic is wrong.

Now retailers can absolutely choose what they will and won't sell, but to sell the same item to one set of customers and not to other legal customers is wrong, and they are in danger of being sued.

JONOV · Mar 23, 2018

lewis9378449 said:
Funny you mention that. I've been thinking about the same thing over the past few days and have been conflicted.

In the case of the wedding cake and the merchant, I felt it was the merchants right to decide not to sell to a certain demographic. Now merchants are choosing to not sell guns and gun related items to a certain demographic (under 21 for example).
If I agreed it was ok for the baker to "choose his customers", isn't it hypocritical of me say Walmart, Citicorp, Dicks, YouTube, etc. cant choose to not do business with a particular demographic?

I'm not arguing the legality of various opinions of what's discrimination and what's not. I'm just saying I cant have it both ways.

Two thoughts on that. Its one thing when referring to a "Closely Held" entity, like a Hobby Lobby, which even though its a $4 Billion company, is still held by the Green Family, or a small Bakery. The Supreme Court, in the Hobby Lobby Lawsuit regarding Obamacare, ruled that in that case, they would get some leeway. Conversely, Wal-Mart couldn't claim that because they aren't "closely held," but rather a publicly traded company.

Second thought: It isn't unusual for money lenders or investors big and small to make decisions about who they don't want to do business with, and as long as it isn't for a reason regarding a protected class (ie, not lending money to Women.)

JONOV · Mar 23, 2018

Everyone's talking about Cakes.

Maybe the better example would be Ronnie Barrett refusing to sell his products to California LEA's. Most of us don't have a problem with that.

Homebrewale · Mar 23, 2018

Billy said:
I don't think that will happen because it's too much trouble. The easiest thing any of us can do is join the NRA and let them fight the battle for us. The GREAT majority won't even do that, they just whine. There are no hard numbers, thank goodness, but estimates are about 50 million gun owners in the US. NRA has roughly 5 million members. That infuriates me.

You do know that there are gun rights advocacy groups other than the NRA. For example, a person can belong to Gun Owners of America.

Billy · Mar 23, 2018

Homebrewale said:
You do know that there are gun rights advocacy groups other than the NRA. For example, a person can belong to Gun Owners of America.

Yep. I belong to both. If I were going to join only one, it would be the NRA because they have the most clout.

Firedog · Mar 23, 2018

lewis9378449 said:
Funny you mention that. I've been thinking about the same thing over the past few days and have been conflicted.

In the case of the wedding cake and the merchant, I felt it was the merchants right to decide not to sell to a certain demographic. Now merchants are choosing to not sell guns and gun related items to a certain demographic (under 21 for example).
If I agreed it was ok for the baker to "choose his customers", isn't it hypocritical of me say Walmart, Citicorp, Dicks, YouTube, etc. cant choose to not do business with a particular demographic?

I'm not arguing the legality of various opinions of what's discrimination and what's not. I'm just saying I cant have it both ways.

Thank you.. As for all the arguments to the contrary; those are simply semantics. You either think it is OK to discriminate against a certain demographic of your choice or you think that is wrong. The third option is that you are hypocritical in the matter.

I agree that judges are going to have to stand on one side or the other here.. the fence will be hard to sit.

Homebrewale · Mar 23, 2018

Sometimes I think the fence isn't pointy enough.

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