Mr.Gadget
Old Mossy Horns
you show no respect for hunters, indicating they would all resort to poaching.. Would you do that?
tag em falsely?
Read your tags.
Antlerless is defined as does and button bucks.
you show no respect for hunters, indicating they would all resort to poaching.. Would you do that?
tag em falsely?
The statement did come off as saying guys would tag small bucks as a button. Big difference between small buck and button buck.
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Man this post hit the nail square on the head. It is up to US as hunters to conserve what we have to enjoy. Im no TV hunt worshiper but would love to know others had the same restraints as far as shooting lower age class deer. With the loss of habitat and the number of hunters getting pushed into smaller areas,it now seems like the attitude is kill mine before someone else does. I put around 4 to 6 deer a year in the freezer and thats with 2 kids hunting and tagging aswell. Since they have started hunting I have cut way back on what I kill. Just to reserve and let the herd in my areas increase and age. Im sure others reap the benefit and so one day may I. Just my 2cents..I haven't watched a hunt on tv in the past 14 years. I have no illusions of grandeur. I don't think, that within 3 years, every buck taken in NC will be worthy of internet stroking. What I do have, is the belief that if we show a little collective restraint, we will be able to kill a consistent amount of healthy deer. By we I mean every hunter. I'm not part of the everyone deserves a trophy crowd. Predation is growing, so is pavement, number of drivers and numbers of transients. Development is happening at a rapid rate in NC. Habitat is shrinking. If we aren't proactive in this, we'll be forced to be reactive.
56% of Hunters believe buck management on private land should be left up to those that hunt that land. The NCWRC stated that the deer herd is in good condition, as long as this is the case, no hunters preference should out weigh the others.
Changing the buck limit will not make or break the deer herd. Managing your doe population will.
https://www.qdma.com/reality-doebuck-ratios/
I can see people reading stuff into it.
But I never used the words small bucks.
That said bucks equal balls not horns.
My point is now there will be 2 tags for horns and 4 for slick heads.
What Im betting is people will not look as hard to see if it is a button or doe.
No horns equals using one of the 4 tags. That said my feel is there will be more bucks killed as buttons, than normal.
I fail to see how more button bucks will be killed, tagging a button as a doe has been the policy forever. That is not a new concept.
I can see people reading stuff into it.
But I never used the words small bucks.
That said bucks equal balls not horns.
My point is now there will be 2 tags for horns and 4 for slick heads.
What Im betting is people will not look as hard to see if it is a button or doe.
No horns equals using one of the 4 tags. That said my feel is there will be more bucks killed as buttons, than normal.
56% of Hunters believe buck management on private land should be left up to those that hunt that land. The NCWRC stated that the deer herd is in good condition, as long as this is the case, no hunters preference should out weigh the others.
Changing the buck limit will not make or break the deer herd. Managing your doe population will.
https://www.qdma.com/reality-doebuck-ratios/
About some issues yes? No, reply. The biologist had a chance to explain the issue when I ask the first time, they choose to deny the data.You need to go back and read it again DRS... it says the deer herd is biologically good ,BUT COULD BE BETTER WITH THE BUCK LIMIT AND SEASON ADJUSTMENTS.... dang man you are like the liberal media.... only use the part of the facts that suits your agenda....
Have you emailed the biologist yet?
It's been said many times .... hunters only know what they see in their own little worlds. Wildlife Management needs the 'big picture'.
As for letting the young ones go ... I've been doing it for years. But it only works if 'enough' folks right around you do the same. It doesn't take many to make many others' efforts be in vain.
I agree, but all I see here is people in their own little world. The data shows the deer herd eastern season is as about as good as it gets, so why change because people want more mature bucks. If you want to manage for such have at it. You may need to control enough land to do so, but that is also an option you have.
To breed more does during the first estrus cycle? Well, if the median conception date is Nov.8 that is already happening. If they were more does breed/days in subsequent estrus cycles that date would at the least be skewed toward December.
If you want more older bucks, why do you want to delay the 1.5 year buck harvest to later in the year. I thought the idea was to let them live.
well if no hunter preference should outweigh the others then i guess you are good on the NCWRC setting the regs without hunter input.
or do you just want the current regs in tact because that is your preference?
i admire your tenacity DRS but cannot for the life of me cannot understand your argument.
you make the assumption they will get killed. that is not a given..
Your correct, but by extending the seasons in some zones will surely increase the yearling buck kill, that have much worse age structure than eastern NC? Shifting timing of harvest, does infer harvesting the same deer later. Is that really going to help in those areas? Why is eastern NC being held to a different standard? That is just not form the age structure either. I don't know if I can find that data, but the NCWRC looked at 6 criteria they would like to meet, with these changes ENC would likely meet 6 out of 6. Other zones would at best meet 5 out of the 6, with some only meeting 4 out of the 6. This was discussed at the NCWRC Deer Management forum I attended.
i think you answered your own question. they can make changes to satisfy their goals in the east.
the fact that they cant get their goals in the other sections shouldnt keep them from being successful in the east.
instead of looking at it like they are slighting the east you could say the east is getting the most benefit potentially.
Can we find out what the people that actually hunt in the east think. It appears that the folks hunting from the other regions want the east to have to hunt by same regs as them even thought they are already doing a better job of managing their age structure.
No..... seems a lot of biology not being understood.....it is being used.....just not to yours and DRS liking.....I think I understand what DRS is saying. Not trying to put words in his mouth but if the herd is in good shape, the buck distribution is the best in the state, then why are they making changes? Why not cut the other regions to 1 buck per season until they catch up with the east in age distribution of bucks harvested. Seems we are managing by size and not age. According to the NC wildlife commission the average 3.5 year old is 13 inch 7 point in the east. Which means about half are 6 points and half 8 points. Other 3 regions same age class 15 inches and 8 points. Bigger deer is not the same as age class. Remember a trophy is a mature deer (age) not horn size. So are we going to manage by size or age structure. Let them live as long as they want and obvious the majority of eastern deer will never be as big as their cousins farther west. We are making the management units smaller for seasons but trying to manage the entire state as one unit on limits. Little confusing as well. Seems not a whole lot of biology being used.
Because there will be an increase in pressure on antlerless deer in order to fill tags? They will always be mistaken for does, I don't see a reasonable link as to why that rate would increase.
Can we find out what the people that actually hunt in the east think. It appears that the folks hunting from the other regions want the east to have to hunt by same regs as them even thought they are already doing a better job of managing their age structure.