Had a run in today

RJ1

Ten Pointer
Had my first run with a still hunter today and I wasn't even running dogs.I loaded up the hounds and got ready to head out to the club house to get ready for the bear season opener Monday but I forgot something at the house instead of going back by the highway I decided to cut thru one of the farm roads got thru the first gate when I got out at the second gate I looked up and some guy was tearing down the road toward me on a four wheeler,to make a long story short I messed up his shot on a Buck when I came down the road he said a few choice words I did not like I asked to see his club membership card I took it tore it up and told him we wouldn't have to worry about that happening again and I would have someone there in a few minutes to escort him off my land and Monday he could come by the farm office and someone would go with him to pick up any stands he had on my land.
 

Mack in N.C.

Old Mossy Horns
Not too smart on his part . If I am hunting a farm road on the club I belong to and the owner rides by me I am doing 2 things. wave and smile.
 
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nccatfisher

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
Yep, classic case of crapping in your nest. I really have to LMAO at someone stupid enough to chew the landowner out.
 

Newsome Road

Ten Pointer
Pro tip. Don't curse the land owner lol.

Yeah, I read the OP as the guy was cussing in front of him, but if he was cussing AT me, I'd send him packing too.

However:

What time of day did this happen? Even though I'm in the "smile and wave" crowd when I'm hunting on land owned by others, I'd expect a little courtesy from a fellow hunter that was doing a little truck scouting if this was peak hunting hours.
 
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wildcat3

Twelve Pointer
Contributor
When the man that owns the house says the party is over there's nothing you can do but go home. It amazes me how many people think all world activities should stop because they are deer hunting. I know of a hunt club in sc that was being logged during deer season. One of the members came out and blocked the road and would not let the log trucks enter. When the land owner found out they pulled the lease the following year, a lease that same group had for a little over 30 years.
 

FITZH2O

Old Mossy Horns
Yeah, I read the OP as the guy was cussing in front of him, but if he was cussing AT me, I'd send him packing too.

However:

What time of day did this happen? Even though I'm in the "smile and wave" crowd when I'm hunting on land owned by others, I'd expect a little courtesy from a fellow hunter that was doing a little truck scouting if this was peak hunting hours.

Doesn’t say anything about road scouting... he was taking his road back to his house for something he forgot. That’s what I read anyway.
 

Justin

Old Mossy Horns
Regardless, there's never been a deer alive worth confronting someone over. It's a deer. They make more every year. Let it go and worry about the next one.
 

darkthirty

Old Mossy Horns
Had my first run with a still hunter today and I wasn't even running dogs.I loaded up the hounds and got ready to head out to the club house to get ready for the bear season opener Monday but I forgot something at the house instead of going back by the highway I decided to cut thru one of the farm roads got thru the first gate when I got out at the second gate I looked up and some guy was tearing down the road toward me on a four wheeler,to make a long story short I messed up his shot on a Buck when I came down the road he said a few choice words I did not like I asked to see his club membership card I took it tore it up and told him we wouldn't have to worry about that happening again and I would have someone there in a few minutes to escort him off my land and Monday he could come by the farm office and someone would go with him to pick up any stands he had on my land.

Ok. You can’t leave us hanging. What I want to hear about is what did the guy do/say after you tore up card and kicked him out. That’s the fun part!!!
 

RJ1

Ten Pointer
Yeah, I read the OP as the guy was cussing in front of him, but if he was cussing AT me, I'd send him packing too.

However:

What time of day did this happen? Even though I'm in the "smile and wave" crowd when I'm hunting on land owned by others, I'd expect a little courtesy from a fellow hunter that was doing a little truck scouting if this was peak hunting hours.

Actually he was not suppose to be hunting on that road or in that area at all that's were were we have our Buffalo pastured at until Nov.1 after we move them they are allowed to hunt it.Its in their lease and posted on the chalk board at their club house,for the last couple of years we have had a really nice buck that hangs out with the buffalo so much so that when ever we move them after a few days he shows up at the new pasture with them I say he's a 140 150 class buck.I am very respectful of the hunters that lease land from us I change the way I run and train hounds on the farm because of deer hunting season we do it mostly at night and try to be out of the woods before daylight during bear season if I decide to take a couple off the farm I post it at their hunting club what day I will be doing it and as members of the club they are welcome to hunt to I always stop by their club house their morning of the hunt to see if anybody wants to go that's as fair as I can be.However I do not take confrontation well I do not cuss people and I do not expect to be cussed talk to me like a man and I will talk to you like you are a man if I'm wrong I will say I'm wrong and we will move on from that in years past we would have had a really big problem when the first cuss word came out of his mouth I guess my dad was right when you get older you learn there are smarter ways to handle problems.
 

QBD2

Old Mossy Horns
Yeah, I read the OP as the guy was cussing in front of him, but if he was cussing AT me, I'd send him packing too.

However:

What time of day did this happen? Even though I'm in the "smile and wave" crowd when I'm hunting on land owned by others, I'd expect a little courtesy from a fellow hunter that was doing a little truck scouting if this was peak hunting hours.
There is no 'however'... OP's land, he can do as he pleases, and if you wanna keep hunting, you best be nice to him.

I couldn't tell you how many times I've had hunts 'disturbed' by landowners and their families. I also can't remember being upset about it in the least.
 
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RJ1

Ten Pointer
Ok. You can’t leave us hanging. What I want to hear about is what did the guy do/say after you tore up card and kicked him out. That’s the fun part!!!

While I was tearing his card up I just explained to him very politely that the next words out of his mouth were very important to how this situation ended,it could end now or we could take it to another level it was his choice and it didn't matter to me which choice he made.
 

DRS

Old Mossy Horns
I have always told the guys in the club, if you don't know who it is be nice and ask them who they are. Talk to me later and we see if they had a reason to be there.

I had a guy tell me once that when he leased land he had more rights than the land owner. He wasn't to bright, IMO.
 

Briargoat

Ten Pointer
I completely agree, there is no reason or excuse for someone to act like that especially when they're not doing the right thing to begin with.
How does it play out tho? Does he get his money back since he's out?
 

nccatfisher

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
I completely agree, there is no reason or excuse for someone to act like that especially when they're not doing the right thing to begin with.
How does it play out tho? Does he get his money back since he's out?
Usually no, depends on how it is written in the club bylaws. If they have been removed for misconduct usually they are SOL.
 

Soilman

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
As a USDA employee, that's about like me telling a farmer, "I'm with the government, and I'll go anywhere on your land I want to. True, if the farmer is a cooperator with our agency (gets any benefits), then technically I have the right to go on his/her land for whatever purpose necessary. BUT, I don't care what the "law" says. If that farmer tells me he don't want me there, he ain't gonna find me there! It's HIS land and I intend to go by HIS rules.
 

Mike Noles aka conman

Administrator
Staff member
Contributor
Regardless, there's never been a deer alive worth confronting someone over. It's a deer. They make more every year. Let it go and worry about the next one.

Has nothing to do with the deer. It has everything to do with someone's attitude when approached by the landowner. There's more than one person in this territory that's been ejected or prosecuted because of the very same type of thing that happened to RJ1.
 

Justin

Old Mossy Horns
Has nothing to do with the deer. It has everything to do with someone's attitude when approached by the landowner. There's more than one person in this territory that's been ejected or prosecuted because of the very same type of thing that happened to RJ1.

I whole heartedly agree it wasn't about the deer. My comment wasn't about the deer per say as it was that he tried to justify his actions because of said deer. Like it, or anything else, was a feasible object to hide his pisspoor decisions and manners defending said decisions. It had everything to do with mouthing off and handling a situation wrong, regardless of if he knew who it was or did not.
 
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shotgunner

Ten Pointer
People are amazing. I have been "messed up" by landowners, their family members, pets, livestock ......... Bottom line is they were nice enough to let me hunt there, some I leased some for free. But no matter what it is their land and I for one appreciate the opportunity to hunt it. I guess some people need to be reminded in the difference in: opportunity and "right". Sorry this happened but maybe the guy learned a lesson his dad should have taught him years ago.
 

boomer

Twelve Pointer
My still hunting club obtained a lease because the former club had members that could not understand that the club did not own the land, only leased it, and that if you cuss out the land owner , he will find a new club to lease his land to. It must be a hard lesson for some to learn.
 

aya28ga

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
Has nothing to do with the deer. It has everything to do with someone's attitude when approached by the landowner. There's more than one person in this territory that's been ejected or prosecuted because of the very same type of thing that happened to RJ1.

^^^^^This.

For some reason, some hunters seem to think that purchasing a hunting license, holding a lease, or belonging to a club gives them carte blanche to disregard the rights of land owners. Deer-hunting can make otherwise reasonable people act insane.......
 

RJ1

Ten Pointer
My questions is did he know you were the landowner?

Some people just amaze me at how dang crazy they get over a deer.

Does not matter if he knew I was the landowner or not as a matter of nobody but my employees and my family are suppose to be on that road before Nov.1st he knew that the whole club knows that,that in itself would have voided his membership in the club by confronting me he just made it so we didn't have to catch him.Now as far confronting me or one of our employees that is something that will get your membership pulled quick no matter were you are.Now if for some reason you have a complaint against one of my employees you come to me and I will handle it but all of that is put in our leases.
 
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