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Old Mossy Horns
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bills/House/PDF/H648v0.pdf
Deals soley with hunting deer with dogs.
Deals soley with hunting deer with dogs.
Those coon hunters etc, still don't have a RIGHT in NC to go get their dogs. They shouldn't have allowed them to get on you in the first place. In this day and time it could have been avoided with the technology available to them. And I am not casting stones, I am one of them. But as people here that have hunted with me can attest, I pretty much keep mine in check. I can't remember when one of mine got somewhere they weren't supposed to be.As written, much too broad and over-reaching not to mention impossible to police. It effectively would end hunting deer with dogs in NC as it is a perfect example of regulating it out of practice for the law abiding deer dog hunters, while will not stop the rogues. I understand that hunting deer with dogs is the "low hanging fruit" as that is where most of the visible problems occur between landowners and hunters. But what about those coon hunters that are crossing my land every night to get their dogs that treed a coon on my property or those rabbit hunters that get on my land when a rabbit crosses the property line or the bear hunters who run a bear across my land? If a coon or a rabbit had a 10 point rack it would be different. I do not support the unauthorized intent to deer hunt someone else's land with dogs but there is a difference between intent to hunt someone else's land with dogs vs accidental crossing. I understand that landowner rights are hot topic right now and I support landowner rights but we have long since entered the era in society where every group under the sun has "rights" and no one wants to work together for a solution. The typical result is division which is what this is going to do to hunters (which is exactly what the anti-hunting groups want). Well let the fighting begin.
Those coon hunters etc, still don't have a RIGHT in NC to go get their dogs. They shouldn't have allowed them to get on you in the first place. In this day and time it could have been avoided with the technology available to them. And I am not casting stones, I am one of them. But as people here that have hunted with me can attest, I pretty much keep mine in check. I can't remember when one of mine got somewhere they weren't supposed to be.
But, they are doing just like the anti-gun crowd, making more rules/laws when they already have plenty on the books to cover what is going on that they don't enforce.
There are lots of misinformation floating around. The legislation was filed late yesterday. It will be read in the House on Monday and assigned to a committee. It is a long process from this point to where it will be voted on. Once in committee, then we will know who to contact to constructively kill this bill. There are politics at play and all of it backroom. As DRS said, if you hunt, no matter the species nor whether or not you use a dog, you better watch this closely and work to get this detrimental bill to all of hunting stopped.
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bills/House/PDF/H648v0.pdf
Deals soley with hunting deer with dogs.
To have a bill like this introduced by legislators that do not have districts in counties that allow dog hunting should raise enough concern to look deeper.
Maybe so but the two are chairmen of the house committee that deals with hunting.
Somebody must have approached them because they run that committee.
Yep I knew that still stand by what DRS and I said.
My wife said the same thing. I told her what was going on and she said ..... sounds like they are after something else. No way you can keep a dog from running a deer across your property. Yesterday evening while I was out walking my farm here in Harnett trying to roost a gobbler.... I see my neighbors black lab mutt running a deer across my clearcut. Am I going to call the sheriff and have them issue a warrant for arrest because his dog jumped a deer on his 54 acre farm and ran him across my place????I think you are right on the fishing, or wishing. I am all for landowner rights, I detest a rogue hunter no matter if it is a dog hunter or not, but I believe the true motive behind this particular bill is not as it appears if I have been told correctly.
....No way you can keep a dog from running a deer across your property....
You know, I hear this argument all the time. It's bologna. I've run deer with dogs my whole life. Killed my first deer in front of a couple of walkers. My uncle had some of the best deer dogs in Pender county east of 117. Good clubs can keep their dogs on their property if they want to. We did. It can be done. I know this because we did it. Yes, occasionally the new guy will miss them and they'll get across the road to the other tract, but in a good club that's not a common occurrence. People don't complain because it happens once in a while. They complain because it happens every week. If you want to keep them on your tract you can do it. If you can't do it you probably shouldn't be running hounds. I'll keep my opinions on this legislation to myself, but let's quit using the "dogs can't read posted signs" argument. Nobody buys it, and they never have.
Well said . This bill would allow me to call the game warden on my neighbor every time his black lab runs a deer off his 54 acre farm onto my 42 acres. Better yet will allow me to also call the game warden on my neighbors up in Rockingham county when their yard dogs run deer off their 150+ acre tract onto my 35 acres. A Ridiculous bill.Nobody can have complete control of an animal, if you let it out of your hands. Just like the man who ask " Does that dog bite?" Reply " Well, it does have teeth and it's own brain."
I too can control my hounds very well. One getting out of the backside of a block or past a stander can happen. Just as you admitted, they can. That is why this bill is bad it makes it illegal for any occurrence of a dog getting by, no matter the reason or frequency, or lack of). LEO could give you a ticket whether or not you and your neighbor have a good relationship or not. I believe mutual respect is a must and goes a long way. This bill takes away the possibility of working together to have a positive relationship, that many of us here have worked hard at getting established.
Well said . This bill would allow me to call the game warden on my neighbor every time his black lab runs a deer off his 54 acre farm onto my 42 acres. Better yet will allow me to also call the game warden on my neighbors up in Rockingham county when their yard dogs run deer off their 150+ acre tract onto my 35 acres. A Ridiculous bill.
A man that pays taxes on that much property should be allowed to let his dog run. Might ruin my hunt every once in a while and yes I got pissed off but that's the way it is. This bill is bad all around. Most of the dog clubs do a good job of keeping their dogs up. Morgan, Whitley and Albemarle Club down in Scotland county do a good job. If they jump a big buck though...... them dogs are gone 90% of the time if he don't get killed by the standers.
Dog is going to go where his nose takes him PERIOD! He could care less about your posted signs.
I still say they are fishing but for what I do not know.