darenative
Twelve Pointer
The new rec flounder plan for 2019
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Eight Pointer
You need to include another doe with a "commercial" sign.
darenative
Twelve Pointer
I take it you have not seen the new improved flounder plan...
cheapdate
Eight Pointer
Im hearing a 62% reduction for commercials. What are you hearing?
Sportsman
Old Mossy Horns
Lay it on us darenative
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Eight Pointer
MFC Votes to Adopt Southern Flounder Amendment 2 with Additional Changes
August 23, 2019 | Fishing | By: Joy Crist
The N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission (MFC) voted 6-3 on Friday morning to adopt the Draft Amendment 2 to the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan, with three additional amendments made to the current draft that were voted on in separate motions.
An amendment to the current Draft Amendment 2 was passed in a 9-0 vote to allow for seasonal flexibility to be determined by Proclamation by the Director of Marine Fisheries, for both commercial and recreational user groups.
After the Draft Amendment 2 passed, another amendment to allow for four flounders per vessel per day outside of the prescriptive recreational season, (or May 1 through November 1), also passed in a 5 to 2 vote with 2 abstentions.
An additional motion to ask the Division of Marine Fisheries Director to consider exceptions to the 15A section of the amendment, which addresses existing flounder pound net sets, was also passed, with 7 commissioners in favor and 2 abstentions.
The MFC voted in June to accept the recommendations of the Division of Marine Fisheries in their entirety as its preferred management options for Draft Amendment 2 to the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan. Friday’s vote represents the final approval and implementation of Draft Amendment 2.
The Draft Amendment 2 calls for a 62% reduction in southern flounder harvest (compared to 2017) in North Carolina in 2019, and a 72% reduction in harvest beginning in 2020 to be achieved through commercial and recreational season closures. The measures also call for yardage and time restrictions for gill nets, and prohibiting the use of puncturing devices, such as gaffs, in the pound net fishery.
The specific details of the management measures can be found on the southern flounder information page on the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries’ website.
Opponents to the Draft Amendment 2 at Friday’s meeting noted the rushed nature of the measure, the need for cooperation from other states for the measure to be a success, and the potential human impact.
“When we put this thing into motion, the biggest issues I had are basically how it got fast-tracked,” said Commissioner Doug Cross. “We didn’t have time to present or gather other options to include in the Division’s recommendation… As we move forward, that’s a huge concern.”
“The largest loser in this is our user groups,” continued Cross. “I think there is a huge misunderstanding in the general public… of how this is going to be regulated… There should be more consideration put into the human factor on both sides – commercial and recreational. I wish there was a way we could lessen the burden to get a better gain for all the user groups, and all of the [affected parties] on both sides.”
“I wish we had coordinated a little more on management options that made more sense, because this just doesn’t make any sense to me,” said Commissioner Mike Blanton. “I had many conversations, both recreational and commercial, and I don’t see many people [agreeing] with this.”
Blanton also pointed out that North Carolina would be the first of the coastal states to implement such a measure, and other states’ cooperation would be required to make any sort of impact on the southern flounder supply. “This is null and void unless these other states start at the same time that we do,” he said. “Right now, we have a single state regulatory measure…. We’re trying to take care of our stock, and hoping other states will jump on board because of this action.”
Commissioner Sam Romano asked Director Stephen Murphey about the participation of other coastal states. “How are they feeling about what we are doing here?”
“I think they are waiting to hear what happens today,” said Murphey. “[We] have a meeting next week, and we have asked them to come to the table… I think they want to see what you guys are going to do. We are the only state that has a mandatory requirement to take action when [there is] overfishing.”
Prior to the vote on Draft Amendment 2, Commissioner Doug Cross made a failed motion to postpone the final approval vote to the November 2019 MFC meeting, adopt a 52% reduction at that time, and to instruct the Marine Fisheries Director to consult with other states to get a definitive plan of action. Seconded by Commissioner Sam Romano, the motion failed with 3 in favor and 6 opposed.
“I am disappointed in the outcome of the adoption, although I did hear from most of the commission [that] they are concerned with the ‘human needs’ and economic burden of the families of the fishery, and that N.C. cannot replenish stocks alone – other states have to commit as well,” said Dare County Commissioner and Working Watermen Committee Chair, Steve House, who attended the MFC meeting on Wednesday and Thursday. “I believe after talking with Director Steve Murphey and some [MFC] Commissioners, the economic aspects of our community in fishing will be looked at in more depth in the future.”
“As research has now begun for Amendment 3, we need to work with the NCDMF to be more proactive in the process and not reactive,” said House.
Per Director Murphey, now that the amendment has passed, a Proclamation will likely be made August 27-28, with an estimated implementation and closure date of September 4 or 5.
The management measures will stay in place until adoption and implementation of Amendment 3 to the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan, which is scheduled for completion in 2021.
August 23, 2019 | Fishing | By: Joy Crist
An amendment to the current Draft Amendment 2 was passed in a 9-0 vote to allow for seasonal flexibility to be determined by Proclamation by the Director of Marine Fisheries, for both commercial and recreational user groups.
After the Draft Amendment 2 passed, another amendment to allow for four flounders per vessel per day outside of the prescriptive recreational season, (or May 1 through November 1), also passed in a 5 to 2 vote with 2 abstentions.
An additional motion to ask the Division of Marine Fisheries Director to consider exceptions to the 15A section of the amendment, which addresses existing flounder pound net sets, was also passed, with 7 commissioners in favor and 2 abstentions.
The MFC voted in June to accept the recommendations of the Division of Marine Fisheries in their entirety as its preferred management options for Draft Amendment 2 to the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan. Friday’s vote represents the final approval and implementation of Draft Amendment 2.
The Draft Amendment 2 calls for a 62% reduction in southern flounder harvest (compared to 2017) in North Carolina in 2019, and a 72% reduction in harvest beginning in 2020 to be achieved through commercial and recreational season closures. The measures also call for yardage and time restrictions for gill nets, and prohibiting the use of puncturing devices, such as gaffs, in the pound net fishery.
The specific details of the management measures can be found on the southern flounder information page on the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries’ website.
Opponents to the Draft Amendment 2 at Friday’s meeting noted the rushed nature of the measure, the need for cooperation from other states for the measure to be a success, and the potential human impact.
“When we put this thing into motion, the biggest issues I had are basically how it got fast-tracked,” said Commissioner Doug Cross. “We didn’t have time to present or gather other options to include in the Division’s recommendation… As we move forward, that’s a huge concern.”
“The largest loser in this is our user groups,” continued Cross. “I think there is a huge misunderstanding in the general public… of how this is going to be regulated… There should be more consideration put into the human factor on both sides – commercial and recreational. I wish there was a way we could lessen the burden to get a better gain for all the user groups, and all of the [affected parties] on both sides.”
“I wish we had coordinated a little more on management options that made more sense, because this just doesn’t make any sense to me,” said Commissioner Mike Blanton. “I had many conversations, both recreational and commercial, and I don’t see many people [agreeing] with this.”
Blanton also pointed out that North Carolina would be the first of the coastal states to implement such a measure, and other states’ cooperation would be required to make any sort of impact on the southern flounder supply. “This is null and void unless these other states start at the same time that we do,” he said. “Right now, we have a single state regulatory measure…. We’re trying to take care of our stock, and hoping other states will jump on board because of this action.”
Commissioner Sam Romano asked Director Stephen Murphey about the participation of other coastal states. “How are they feeling about what we are doing here?”
“I think they are waiting to hear what happens today,” said Murphey. “[We] have a meeting next week, and we have asked them to come to the table… I think they want to see what you guys are going to do. We are the only state that has a mandatory requirement to take action when [there is] overfishing.”
Prior to the vote on Draft Amendment 2, Commissioner Doug Cross made a failed motion to postpone the final approval vote to the November 2019 MFC meeting, adopt a 52% reduction at that time, and to instruct the Marine Fisheries Director to consult with other states to get a definitive plan of action. Seconded by Commissioner Sam Romano, the motion failed with 3 in favor and 6 opposed.
“I am disappointed in the outcome of the adoption, although I did hear from most of the commission [that] they are concerned with the ‘human needs’ and economic burden of the families of the fishery, and that N.C. cannot replenish stocks alone – other states have to commit as well,” said Dare County Commissioner and Working Watermen Committee Chair, Steve House, who attended the MFC meeting on Wednesday and Thursday. “I believe after talking with Director Steve Murphey and some [MFC] Commissioners, the economic aspects of our community in fishing will be looked at in more depth in the future.”
“As research has now begun for Amendment 3, we need to work with the NCDMF to be more proactive in the process and not reactive,” said House.
Per Director Murphey, now that the amendment has passed, a Proclamation will likely be made August 27-28, with an estimated implementation and closure date of September 4 or 5.
The management measures will stay in place until adoption and implementation of Amendment 3 to the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan, which is scheduled for completion in 2021.
cheapdate
Eight Pointer
Information on Southern Flounder Amendment
N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission statement (8/23/19): The N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission adopted the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan Amendment 2 as proposed by the Division of Marine Fisheries, giving the director of the Division of Marine Fisheries flexibility with the commercial and recreational seasons so long as they meet the statutorily required harvest reductions.
The Division of Marine Fisheries anticipates issuing a proclamation next week that closes the commercial and recreational season around Sept. 4.
N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission statement (8/23/19): The N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission adopted the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan Amendment 2 as proposed by the Division of Marine Fisheries, giving the director of the Division of Marine Fisheries flexibility with the commercial and recreational seasons so long as they meet the statutorily required harvest reductions.
The Division of Marine Fisheries anticipates issuing a proclamation next week that closes the commercial and recreational season around Sept. 4.
darenative
Twelve Pointer
Im hearing rec is closed about the first of the month....but guides get a 4 fish per trip from may-nov....
So i guess if ya want to keep a flounder in nc in the next year, you need to hire a guide.
timber
Twelve Pointer
Sounds like Va will have alot more flounder fishing pressure
Justin
Old Mossy Horns
This whole situation has gotten for F’d up than amputee porn
Starfan
Eight Pointer
What a complete crock of BS! NC is the laughing stock of the country when it comes to coastal fisheries management.
Wanchese
Twelve Pointer
Some huckle buck from West Virginia can come here, book a charter and keep a fish that a NC resident fishing 10' from him in his own boat can't. That's screwed up as it gets.
Establish a recreational quota and a commercial quota, at whatever magic numbers they pull out of their @$$. Let each catch their quota and close it.
I honestly think they come up with a lot of this
just to keep us all at each others throats. And it works.
Establish a recreational quota and a commercial quota, at whatever magic numbers they pull out of their @$$. Let each catch their quota and close it.
I honestly think they come up with a lot of this
just to keep us all at each others throats. And it works.timber
Twelve Pointer
Looks like the charter guys did some heavy lobbying
Justin
Old Mossy Horns
We’ve got awesome fishing but piss poor management strategies.
Browning86
Six Pointer
I’m confused....did it close for recs and comms but not guides now? I looked on the ncdmf website but I’m having trouble finding all the rules.
darenative
Twelve Pointer
I would be reluctant to say anything is fact until the proclamation comes out. There is some interesting language in this part though:
An amendment to the current Draft Amendment 2 was passed in a 9-0 vote to allow for seasonal flexibility to be determined by Proclamation by the Director of Marine Fisheries, for both commercial and recreational user groups.
The information above says 4 fish/vessel. Doesn't say anything about guides.
darenative
Twelve Pointer
What i was told..^^ and that don't amount to a hill of beans until the official proclamation is released.
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Browning86
Six Pointer
Ok. That makes sense why I couldn’t find much. Thanks for the info.
Why in the hell does it have to be so complicated. Just close it down and be done with it. If the flounder population is in that much trouble we shouldnt keep any. You have to blame these dumbasses that make these decisions at some point. They all need to be fired and replaced with men and women that care about the resources and not who’s ass to kiss.
darkthirty
Old Mossy Horns
HotSoup
Old Mossy Horns
Can someone explain this to me...
If I fish a pond and all I catch are "small" bream the pond is considered overpopulated and some should be removed.
I see 30+ "small" flounder/hour gigging and its said by the "professionals" in charge that the "small" fish are because of a "depleted" stock.
So, which is it?
Also, in 2017 the rec side took a 33% reduction in keepers.....and now they want more.
If I fish a pond and all I catch are "small" bream the pond is considered overpopulated and some should be removed.
I see 30+ "small" flounder/hour gigging and its said by the "professionals" in charge that the "small" fish are because of a "depleted" stock.
So, which is it?
Also, in 2017 the rec side took a 33% reduction in keepers.....and now they want more.
Justin
Old Mossy Horns
All I know is they’re mopping up on the nonexistent keepers before it shuts down. FB feed been slam full of them and the specks that got killed two winters ago in the big freeze ??
Roanoke
Eight Pointer
When the water temperature in the sounds gets below a certain point, flounder go to the Ocean. I do not understand why they will not get data from the ocean in the fall.
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I think that is the difference between a closed system and a vast open ecosystem.
100fathoms
Button Buck
Closes on the 4th. Commercial side to reopen north of Pamlico sound on September 15th and October 1 for all other waters
HotSoup
Old Mossy Horns
11 day closure....thats horseshit but was expected. As usual rec side is expected to bend over and take it raw.
Wanchese
Twelve Pointer
Everyone is getting screwed. How you can't see that is beyond me.
Their data actually shows that the commercial side is taking a higher % cut this year than the rec side.
HotSoup
Old Mossy Horns
The rec side already took a 33% reduction in 2017.
The whole damn thing is a sham.....for both sides but a 11 day closure is pure BS
Does anybody know what the rationale (as explained by DMF) for the 11 day closure is?
Years ago (as I understand--and this might still be the case) Virginia had a 1 day closed season on flounder. The officers wrote a lot of tickets and gained a lot of revenue on that one day because folks were unaware...
Years ago (as I understand--and this might still be the case) Virginia had a 1 day closed season on flounder. The officers wrote a lot of tickets and gained a lot of revenue on that one day because folks were unaware...