Ransomware hits Colonial Pipeline

Buxndiverdux

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Eric Revo said:
Ireland is in far worse shape, their healthcare system is being held hostage now. Hospitals are closed or not able to take patients.
Maybe this will make the world rethink the dependence on hackable software.
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This is a derail topic most likely, but since communist china is making all these computer boards, hard drives, and chips, etc... Why wouldn't they leave a backdoor for them to access these things to take over the world? Why would a country like the United States of America let this kind of thing happen? We built China with the enabling of our EPA and other burdensome regulations and made American manufacturing to expensive to compete on a global scale, and didn't protect them with trade agreements. All of this isn't by accident.
 
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JONOV said:
Or maybe it was a ploy to make $5 million by criminals endorsed by the Kremlin.

this type of thing isn’t new. It’s happened to Fedex and Honda and DeutscheBank and Davidson County and the Colorado DOT and the City of Atlanta. Yet, because it’s oil it must be a conspiracy.
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Sure it isn't new, but it certainly could have been strategic. And I'm just spit balling on the theory... Not claiming to be the all knowing.
 
sky hawk

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Computers are fine. Hooking every system known to man up to the internet is a big problem. There's a reason our polling machines aren't (supposed to be) connected to the internet. Convenience comes with a price, and in this case it's a lot more than 5 million. It seems to me that a lot of systems are needlessly exposed to the outside world when it's just not necessary.
 
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The more it affects the public the more attention it will get from our elected officials. If this same thing had brought NYC, Detroit or Chicago to a screeching halt you can bet that the MSM would have been screaming that something HAD to be done and our Democrat "leaders" would have been promising the moon. But since it largely affected Red states it will quickly be dismissed as simply a quirk, a nothingburger, just another way that socialism could have protected Americans since the hackers are just another example of free enterprise.
 
sky hawk

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My hope in all this is that the American public, and the American supply chain will become less brittle. Between the Pandemic closures and shortages we've experienced, I would hope that Americans would take a more active approach in buffering themselves from shortages where possible. Fuel is a tough though.

If we are smart we will learn from this and be better off for it. If we dismiss it as a fluke, we've just shown the world one more way they can destroy us. Heaven help us if there's any kind of coordinated attack on multiple systems at once. People will just be roaming the streets, crying and mumbling.
 

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Eric Revo said:
The more it affects the public the more attention it will get from our elected officials. If this same thing had brought NYC, Detroit or Chicago to a screeching halt you can bet that the MSM would have been screaming that something HAD to be done and our Democrat "leaders" would have been promising the moon. But since it largely affected Red states it will quickly be dismissed as simply a quirk, a nothingburger, just another way that socialism could have protected Americans since the hackers are just another example of free enterprise.
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It was on the news but no one really said much about it in 2018 when Atlanta got ransomwared. I don't even recall anyone blaming OrangeMan.
 
Hunterreed

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All of us common american citizens may never really know what is behind this. After all the crazy things we have seen exposed in our government by having elected a president that bucked the system for 4 years anything is a possibility. Nothing is just a conspiracy theory anymore. This all could have been a live test to see how effective it would be to shut down the country in case we have another Jan 6
 
turkeyfoot

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News said 70% NC pumps out I passed 4 stations with gas this morning no lines at any. only thing I couldn't get was what I was after ethanol free they were all limiting to 20 bucks a purchase
 
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Buxndiverdux said:
since communist china is making all these computer boards, hard drives, and chips, etc...
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Stopped reading here.. I am in this business.. and this statement proves you don't know or understand the computer / microprocessor / IC supply chain at all.
 
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turkeyfoot said:
News said 70% NC pumps out I passed 4 stations with gas this morning no lines at any. only thing I couldn't get was what I was after ethanol free they were all limiting to 20 bucks a purchase
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Drove 120 miles in piedmont. Gas in 80% stations.
 
thandy

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I pass 4 stations before I get on the interstate and one when I get off. All but one mom and pop station had gas.
 
pcbuckhunter

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Where I’m at in Kansas, I’ve not seen a single station out of gas, limiting purchases or any such thing. Might buy me a 250 gallon fuel tank and fill it up before I head back East...😁😁😁
 
Buxndiverdux

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Firedog said:
Stopped reading here.. I am in this business.. and this statement proves you don't know or understand the computer / microprocessor / IC supply chain at all.
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You are right, I don't. Are you going to tell me they can't access servers, routers, firewalls etc either? Manufacturing that stuff doesn't give them the opportunity for nefarious activity?
 

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Since you are tossing every theory up on a wall to see what sticks, maybe GasBuddy is behind it. Since this has happened, almost every news story tells people to use GasBuddy to find stations with gas. What better way to get your app used by a lot of people than a gasoline shortage.
 
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MJ74

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Alot of the stations here in Roanoke Rapids are out of regular.
I just waited about 10mins to fill up at Sheetz. I had less than a 1/4 tank so I needed it, but I did notice amongst the cluster that most people were only getting 5-10 gals.
Panicking and topping off I guess.
 
Tipmoose

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Clark said:
Servers of Colonial Pipeline hacker Darkside forced down: security firm (msn.com)

Well if we can locate their servers, why just shut them down? Don't we have missiles or something?
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Well....server farms are usually multistory, multibuilding affairs. And there are many different companies being served from those buildings. So, nuking the server farm will not just take out Darkside's servers (which they probably have hundreds of around the world) it would take out hundreds or thousands of legit businesses and their data.
 
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Everything that happens in Russia you can believe the Kremlin is behind. I find it difficult to believe that these groups can operate out of Russia without having to pay the ultimate mob boss something.
 
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Tipmoose said:
Well....server farms are usually multistory, multibuilding affairs. And there are many different companies being served from those buildings. So, nuking the server farm will not just take out Darkside's servers (which they probably have hundreds of around the world) it would take out hundreds or thousands of legit businesses and their data.
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Would that knock us out? Not sure where we fall on the scale of legit and not legit. 😉
 
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Buxndiverdux said:
You are right, I don't. Are you going to tell me they can't access servers, routers, firewalls etc either? Manufacturing that stuff doesn't give them the opportunity for nefarious activity?
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Nope, because regardless of what I say you already have you mind made up.. but I will tell you, and I went through this exercise earlier today for the US Air Force.. that out of well over 100 different parts on two different computers, a number less that 5 has a country of origin being China, so you assertion that they make all this stuff is BS and akin to the Orange Man Bad crowd with Trump. (BTW, that is a computer made by a company that started in, and still has a global headquarters in China)

China has had, and still does have bad actors, some of them are govt. backed others are not. My intent is not to defend them in any way. But the perception that all electronics are made in China is, at present and I expect always has been to a large degree, fictitious. (unless of course you are one that considers all locations in the far east to be China) I have spent 20+ years in the computer industry and I can tell you from direct experience, that Mfg has been moving out of China for lower cost regions and locations for years. China's middle class is growing quickly and they are shifting from a mfg based society to one more consumer based and that transformation is accelerating.
 
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