NC Landowners Alliance - anti-dog hunting group

ncdeerhunterRC

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Heard about this group today and appears to be trouble brewing. Rumor is the group has hired a lobbyist. Check out the mission statement. Definitely an anti-dog hunting group with an agenda. Apparently incorporated by a real estate agent who calls himself a "Land Specialist" for Whitetail Properties. It appears to be a multi-state real estate entity buying and selling land with an emphasis on hunting opportunities. Interesting how the dog trespass debate takes on a whole different meaning when big money is involved, especially making a business out of deer hunting opportunities, using the debate as a means to drive that business, and the power to influence. The Alliance wants to protect landowner's rights while they profit off of selling land.
 

Southern

Eight Pointer
Heard about this group today and appears to be trouble brewing. Rumor is the group has hired a lobbyist. Check out the mission statement. Definitely an anti-dog hunting group with an agenda. Apparently incorporated by a real estate agent who calls himself a "Land Specialist" for Whitetail Properties. It appears to be a multi-state real estate entity buying and selling land with an emphasis on hunting opportunities. Interesting how the dog trespass debate takes on a whole different meaning when big money is involved, especially making a business out of deer hunting opportunities, using the debate as a means to drive that business, and the power to influence. The Alliance wants to protect landowner's rights while they profit off of selling land.




I wanted to make several comments at the risk of starting a war. First, Whitetail Properties is not in the business of buying and selling land for themselves. They are a broker representing multiple classes of hunting property and other rural property. Now, I dont personally have much love loss for them myself but felt that clarification may be of importance to the above post.

Secondly, I don't understand how dog hunters cant realize that there actions do impact others enjoyment of their own personal land. I grew up dog hunting when we had 17,000 acres in one block of land and we really did not bother anybody else, but that was 40 years ago. We also hunted with more morals regarding land rights and did not have electronics. But today, just about EVERY landowner I know in Eastern NC that still hunts, has to deal with weekly or even daily issues with dogs disturbing their hunts.

I know dogs cant read and all of that BS but let me ask this:

If i gave the keys to my car to my 13 year old daughter and said "Honey practice driving around the yard" and she decided to drive into the neighbors yard and destroyed their flower beds and yard, etc. Who would be responsible? ME! My ultimate action led to something that impacted somebody else's property rights. The action was caused by somebody who could not form good decisions (i.e. the dog) but ultimately it was my fault and responsibility.

Another argument is that outlawing dog hunting would end deer hunting. In my opinion, formed by 30 years of hunting land, selling land and dealing with thousands of landowners and buyers is that outlawing dog hunting would actually bring MORE people into deer hunting in North Carolina. Many of my clients SELL and hang it up due to the frustration of dogs ruining their hunts.

I am a landowner and own land that is 100% ruined by dog hunting on a 2-3x per week basis. Small tracts in particular are hard to hunt successfully when a pack of dogs churns through it all day on Saturday, etc. Yes dog hunters say "shoot the deer if it runs through" but what if the OWNER, who bought the land and pays the damn taxes on it does NOT want to shoot a deer in front of the dogs??

I just don't for the life of me see how dog hunters cant understand that their actions affect many other private landowners. Yes I hate to see it outlawed because it is fun but at some point private property rights have to win out. If you can guarantee your dogs will not come on my property, great, but until then, you are trespassing by default if you dogs run all over my property.

There have been many major changes to game laws over the last century that did not hurt hunting but actually helped it, one being outlawing market hunting for waterfowl. I am sure the market hunters cried fowl (pun intended) since this affected THEM but the decision was for the greater good. Dog hunting is the same way. It is time for it to go.

Mods, you can move this, delete this whatever, it is your board and you have property rights that I respect.
 
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Tipmoose

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Read the sticky threads on how to post in those forums.

And, for what its worth, I see nothing factually incorrect in what that poster is saying. Dog hunting's days in NC are numbered. The more liberals we import, the faster it will happen.
 
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Southern

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Respectfully, blaming liberals is doing nothing but putting the blame on somebody else when it is not there fault that property rights are being infringed. That is a liberal move in itself, to put the blame on somebody else entirely for self inflicted problems.

I am conservative and I will vote to get rid of dog hunting. I am tired of having my multiple properties, where the highest and best use is hunting , being impacted by dog hunters. That impacts my use, my enjoyment and the value of the property.

The majority of landowners I deal with are conservative business owners. Builders, contractors, lawyers, bankers, etc. ALL of my clients are pretty much conservative and against dog hunting, not in principal but because it degrades their enjoyment and use of their own property,

Blame the liberals if you want but if you do that and ignore the reason so many people are against it, you are not helping your own cause. I enjoyed dog hunting immensely and hate to see it go but when it affects my enjoyment and pocket book, I have a real issue. Maybe there is a way to regulate it better and not get rid of it but again, as long as dog hunters stick their head in the sand as to what it is doing to so many landowners, it will be doomed for sure. It is not the liberals fault nor the landowners fault.
 

JONOV

Ten Pointer
I have nothing against dog hunting, but I will say that I was on a lease a few years ago and the lease price was low for the area because of all the surrounding dog clubs.
 

nccatfisher

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Maybe there is a way to regulate it better and not get rid of it but again, as long as dog hunters stick their head in the sand as to what it is doing to so many landowners, it will be doomed for sure.
You say you aren't a liberal but this quote here sure is suspect. I mean it sure sounds like a liberal talking like gun control doesn't it? "More regulations" More laws"? There are already plenty on the books right now, all they need to do is enforce them.

Yes there are bad dog hunters just like there are bad still hunters. But I see multiple posts every year about stands and cameras stolen etc and you can bet your butt that isn't dog hunters. Do we need more laws and stop still hunters since stands and cameras get stolen?
 

Southern

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My bad, all regs are liberal, I forgot.
Lets do this. No regs and see how long dog hunting lasts.
I was throwing out an idea vs the possibility of outlawing it all together, just commentary. From that one brief statement you think I am a liberal huh?
This issue is NOT about bad dog hunters. It is about dogs not being able to be controlled, todays environment of smaller tracts to run, todays increased population density, etc etc.

You dog guys can argue all you want to but you know you impact others enjoyment of their land in the many areas where you do not control thousands of acres in one block. Nobody is making this stuff up. Even good dog hunters impact other landowners. There are many "good " dog hunters who still turn loose on 100 acre tracts of land. Can you contril your dogs on 100 acres and guarantee you will not impact another landowner? NO

Enjoy it while you can.
 

ncdeerhunterRC

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Wanted to make a couple of comments. Correct Whitetail Properties does not buy/sell land for its own use but the real estate agent who has organized the NC Landowner's Alliance sure does stand benefit financially if property is sold. Since there is a connection between the 2, obviously there is an agenda. For those of us who are landowners, yes it can benefit us too if dog hunting is stopped (value of land increases), but for those who lease, it will continue to drive up the land lease price.

I am a conservative. Most all of my friends, colleagues, and customers are conservatives too. I and my friends support hunting deer with dogs as we also support hunting birds with dogs, rabbits with dogs, bear with dogs and hogs with dogs. We will vote and lobby to keep it. I am also a landowner and I lease land. I dog hunt and I still hunt. I don't stick my head in the sand. I support landowner's rights and I'm responsible for a large dog hunting club. We don't turn dogs loose on other's land and we do our best with the help of Garmin to keep dogs off of other's land. We stop the race as best we can, but sure we're not 100% successful. I'm not in favor of establishing more laws/rules when we don't enforce the ones we have (Landowner Protection Act) nor have the resources available to enforce it. I still hunt a piece of property that borders gamelands. Despite our land being adequately posted, I constantly deal with human trespassers. Not to mention rogue poachers who use depredation permits as a license to shoot as many deer at night as they want. I can endorse the policy to ban still hunting and I can complain about nothing being done or I can contact the game warden/sheriff and have trespassers dealt with. The societal climate is extremely polarized today and everything is politicized. Tolerance/intolerance is embedded in everything. It is not a conservative vs liberal issue, although given the environment, it will be politicized as such.

Financial gain does not need to be added to the mix. When a real estate company is behind an alliance of landowner's, who makes money of off buying/selling land as a broker, significantly complicates the issue. Hunting in general is under assault for all sorts of anti-hunting groups who like nothing more than to fracture the group and promote in-fighting. Sure rogue dog hunters need to be dealt with. When property damage is involved, it is a no-brainer (as the case of your 13yo daughter driving into someone else's property and causing damage) but that is not the majority of the cases. It is simply someone who doesn't like it and doesn't want it interfering with their hunt. Which I get. I wish I had the perfect answer that would satisfy all, but not sure that exists. I think both landowners and dog hunters are going to have to give a little. Putting "the Georgia Dog Hunting Plan" or similar entities (such as the legislation from 2017) is just a means of stopping it without a law in place that specifically bans it. That is not give and take. I'm not in favor of that. A few bad apple dog hunters should not spoil it for all just like a few bad apple still hunters should not spoil it for that group. Something has to be done about the bad ones. We have to police our own as dog hunters. If you are responsible for a dog hunting club, you have to not allow it, period. But to keep dogs 100% off of someone else's land is impossible also. If we don't solve it reasonably, it will indeed get solved for us in a way we dog hunters do not like.
 

nccatfisher

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My bad, all regs are liberal, I forgot.
Lets do this. No regs and see how long dog hunting lasts.
I was throwing out an idea vs the possibility of outlawing it all together, just commentary. From that one brief statement you think I am a liberal huh?
This issue is NOT about bad dog hunters. It is about dogs not being able to be controlled, todays environment of smaller tracts to run, todays increased population density, etc etc.

You dog guys can argue all you want to but you know you impact others enjoyment of their land in the many areas where you do not control thousands of acres in one block. Nobody is making this stuff up. Even good dog hunters impact other landowners. There are many "good " dog hunters who still turn loose on 100 acre tracts of land. Can you contril your dogs on 100 acres and guarantee you will not impact another landowner? NO

Enjoy it while you can.
You want to bet I can't turn my dogs loose on 100 acres and control them? You want names of people on this page that have been with me? " dog" hunters doesn't necessarily equate to big running wild and crazy dogs. But I forgot you are an expert.
 

woodmoose

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Can you contril your dogs on 100 acres and guarantee you will not impact another landowner? NO

some can't that's true,,,but we sure can,,,we do it every weekend,,,,but usually it's 2-300 acre tracts,,,,

dogs are trained to return on tone,,,and we don't abide them crossing out of our property lines,,,they get close to the line they get toned back to handler,,,whether they are chasing a deer or not,,,,

just they way we hunt,,but then we aren't a "run and gun" type club either,,,you sit your stand till the hunt is over

others mileage may vary
 

Southern

Eight Pointer
There you go assuming something else about me huh?
It does not take an expert to hear how many people dog hunting impacts negatively, whether "good" or "bad" hunters. Damn to hear you guys speak, you must be the only "good" ones out there because everywhere I own land and manage land, damn dogs are running all over the place. I bet those guys think the are "good" hunters also.

So nccatfisher, since you are so damn good at controlling dogs ( I guess a "true" expert), can you tell me you have NEVER ONCE had dogs go on anothers property?
 

Southern

Eight Pointer
In your own opinions (dog hunters) what percentage of all dog clubs do you think keep their dogs on their on land? (serious question, I am trying to become and expert on this)
 

Southern

Eight Pointer
Wanted to make a couple of comments. Correct Whitetail Properties does not buy/sell land for its own use but the real estate agent who has organized the NC Landowner's Alliance sure does stand benefit financially if property is sold. Since there is a connection between the 2, obviously there is an agenda. For those of us who are landowners, yes it can benefit us too if dog hunting is stopped (value of land increases), but for those who lease, it will continue to drive up the land lease price.

I am a conservative. Most all of my friends, colleagues, and customers are conservatives too. I and my friends support hunting deer with dogs as we also support hunting birds with dogs, rabbits with dogs, bear with dogs and hogs with dogs. We will vote and lobby to keep it. I am also a landowner and I lease land. I dog hunt and I still hunt. I don't stick my head in the sand. I support landowner's rights and I'm responsible for a large dog hunting club. We don't turn dogs loose on other's land and we do our best with the help of Garmin to keep dogs off of other's land. We stop the race as best we can, but sure we're not 100% successful. I'm not in favor of establishing more laws/rules when we don't enforce the ones we have (Landowner Protection Act) nor have the resources available to enforce it. I still hunt a piece of property that borders gamelands. Despite our land being adequately posted, I constantly deal with human trespassers. Not to mention rogue poachers who use depredation permits as a license to shoot as many deer at night as they want. I can endorse the policy to ban still hunting and I can complain about nothing being done or I can contact the game warden/sheriff and have trespassers dealt with. The societal climate is extremely polarized today and everything is politicized. Tolerance/intolerance is embedded in everything. It is not a conservative vs liberal issue, although given the environment, it will be politicized as such.

Financial gain does not need to be added to the mix. When a real estate company is behind an alliance of landowner's, who makes money of off buying/selling land as a broker, significantly complicates the issue. Hunting in general is under assault for all sorts of anti-hunting groups who like nothing more than to fracture the group and promote in-fighting. Sure rogue dog hunters need to be dealt with. When property damage is involved, it is a no-brainer (as the case of your 13yo daughter driving into someone else's property and causing damage) but that is not the majority of the cases. It is simply someone who doesn't like it and doesn't want it interfering with their hunt. Which I get. I wish I had the perfect answer that would satisfy all, but not sure that exists. I think both landowners and dog hunters are going to have to give a little. Putting "the Georgia Dog Hunting Plan" or similar entities (such as the legislation from 2017) is just a means of stopping it without a law in place that specifically bans it. That is not give and take. I'm not in favor of that. A few bad apple dog hunters should not spoil it for all just like a few bad apple still hunters should not spoil it for that group. Something has to be done about the bad ones. We have to police our own as dog hunters. If you are responsible for a dog hunting club, you have to not allow it, period. But to keep dogs 100% off of someone else's land is impossible also. If we don't solve it reasonably, it will indeed get solved for us in a way we dog hunters do not like.

I agree financial gain does not be a consideration for this topic at all but I wonder if this is just opinion or has the Whitetail Proeprties guy said something about money? I cant see how this would personally impact his bottom line much but maybe so. Maybe he is a landowner who is tired of fighting dogs? Maybe not.
 

RJ1

Ten Pointer
I support all kinds of hound hunting even though I do not deer hunt in any form I do run bear and fox with hounds but unless my hounds cross onto someones land I do not have permission to hunt, them running near your property is not a violation of anything, I am sorry it might ruin your hunt but as long as they don't cross that's something you will have to live with.Now if you were to go talk to them and tell them you only get to hunt certain days you might find out they will not run the tract near you while you are there. Alot of the same people who advocate for no deer hunting with hounds call me all the time to offer their still hunting land to me to bear hunt with hounds even those little 100 acre tracts if you don't like one form of hound hunting I am surely not gong to help anybody out with their bear problem with another form of hound hunting.Most Dog Hunting Clubs have by-laws that prohibit the running of hounds on land not leased to the club I belong to 6 ,4 downeast 2 in the mountains. If a rouge dog hunter does not care about getting a ticket getting kicked out of a club is not going to bother him either use the laws on the books and you can curtail it. Police your own land you catch someone wrong go to the Magistrate take out a warrant on them I do it all the time with trespassing still hunters.
 

Southern

Eight Pointer
Not an issue at all with dogs on neighbors land. I believe in his property rights as much as mine.
 

ncdeerhunterRC

Four Pointer
So if I'm an anti-hunting landowner, and I enjoy sitting on my front porch for the peace and quiet of the country and watching the deer feed in my field, and I feel deer hunters shooting guns (killing everyone of my deer that I enjoy), perhaps across my property lines, trespassing looking for a wounded deer they shot, riding four wheelers or trucks up and down roads, or those damn rabbit hunters running their dogs which always get over on my land or the damn bird hunters shooting all afternoon interferes with MY peace and quiet and enjoyment of MY land, then let's ban it all!! Its ruining MY form of enjoyment. Your enjoyment may be still hunting & the dogs on your property ruin it but mine is the peace and quiet and the fact I'm an animal lover & your shooting them. Of course all that is ridiculous but not for an anti-hunter. Heck, a couple of years ago, we killed a huge buck in front of the dogs. The still hunter on the land next to ours found out the big buck (which he had on camera) was killed. He started raising all kinds of crap saying we turned our dogs loose on his land, jumped the deer off his land, and then killed it. All of which was totally not true. We jumped the buck in the cutover next to my box stand, and it ran straight to the stander who killed it. I told our hunter that he needed to check the name tag on the deer to see who it belonged to before he shot it next time. So maybe it's not ridiculous. If we keep fighting against each other on this issue, we will set a precedent for the anti-hunting groups.
 

Southern

Eight Pointer
Ok so what is the solution to keep dog hunting alive and to keep dogs from running all over somebody else's land and impacting their use of the land? I mentioned regulations but was called a liberal so not real sure what the answer is but I can promise you, there are thousands of landowners down east who will jump on this non profit, lobbying bandwagon immediately if they think it will stop dog hunters.

Is your solution for the landowners to just shut up and take it because that is sure what all the arguments I hear sound like. I dont want dog hunting outlawed but something has to change. If no new regs because it makes you a liberal and no outlawing then does all of this fall on the landowner just bending over and taking it?
 

DRS

Old Mossy Horns
In your own opinions (dog hunters) what percentage of all dog clubs do you think keep their dogs on their on land? (serious question, I am trying to become and expert on this)
Lot more than in the past. GPS has helped avoid conflict. How many land owners have deer that share home ranges with dogs clubs? There lies the problem.
 

Southern

Eight Pointer
Stupid question since I am expert, but how does gps keep deer dogs from running on others property? If it is easily to cut them off I can get that but how do you control dogs?
I looked at a tract in Franklin County this morning. It was one of about 10 tracts in the middle of 3000 acres or so of land, all wooded. The tract I looked at was small with no roads or anything around it to block off. There is NO way that guy is not going to have dogs all over him every day they run that 3000 acres.
 

nccatfisher

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My bad, all regs are liberal, I forgot.
Lets do this. No regs and see how long dog hunting lasts.
I was throwing out an idea vs the possibility of outlawing it all together, just commentary. From that one brief statement you think I am a liberal huh?
This issue is NOT about bad dog hunters. It is about dogs not being able to be controlled, todays environment of smaller tracts to run, todays increased population density, etc etc.

You dog guys can argue all you want to but you know you impact others enjoyment of their land in the many areas where you do not control thousands of acres in one block. Nobody is making this stuff up. Even good dog hunters impact other landowners. There are many "good " dog hunters who still turn loose on 100 acre tracts of land. Can you contril your dogs on 100 acres and guarantee you will not impact another landowner? NO

Enjoy it while you can.
If you think there are no regs in place now well you are the one with your head in the sand, given the posts you have already made it pretty obvious your stance and well even though I do have the time I don't have the inclination to try to sway someone that's mind is already made up.

I have a pretty good grasp what goes on as far as the good and bad, I dealt with it for years both personally and professionally.
 

DRS

Old Mossy Horns
Read the sticky threads on how to post in those forums.

And, for what its worth, I see nothing factually incorrect in what that poster is saying. Dog hunting's days in NC are numbered. The more liberals we import, the faster it will happen.
  • Turn their hunting dogs out on someone else’s land without permission to hunt said land. #1 pertraying all dogs on land must have been turned out there, not true.

  • Knowingly allow their hunting dogs to encroach on posted private property, ruining legitimate still hunts, disrupting the landowners daily activities and/or investment in the land, disturbing, injuring, or killing; or causing to be disturbed, injured or killed, livestock, poultry, pets or persons. # 2 Making it sound like hunting dogs are dangerous, not many attacks by hunting dogs on property or people, to suggest otherwise is to cause public fear. Besides current animal control ordinances already make the dog owners liable in such cases, if it does arise.
  • Knowingly utilize their hunting dogs to chase game off someone else’s land so that the game can then be pursued on public land or land they control. #3 Don't know of a single group that hunts that hopes to run a deer off another's land. a person has to realize these hunters dogs just chased a deer off their land, they just want it to come back with the dogs.

  • Hunt directly from the roadway, riding roads looking for game being chased by dogs, waiting for game to approach a roadway so they can be shot as they cross, etc.. #4 Very wrong description of why hunters with dogs are on the roads. Trying to get a dogs off property or keep them off property where they are not wanted or keeping the dogs safe from getting ran over if the game crosses the road are the likely reasons. Another description to guide the public in the self served direction, without being truthful.
  • Block or impede traffic flow on public roadways for any purpose. #5 See above.
  • Shoot a weapon of any type directly across a public roadway, or parallel to a public roadway when the shooter is located within the public boundary of said roadway. #6 Road hunting is already illegal in most counties, yes that includes a loaded gun that is in a vehicle that is accessible
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  • Trespass on private property to hunt, retrieve hunting dogs, or pursue wounded game; without regard for landowner property rights or permission to access said property. #7 All of which is already illegal in NC.

  • Inflict damage to the property of others. (e.g., cut fences and locks, drive vehicles onto private property, shoot across private property or into private buildings and equipment; or commit vandalism, arson, or other nefarious activities of any kind).
  • Threaten verbally or otherwise to commit bodily harm, property damage, or conduct other mischievous activity. # 8 seen that from all sides.
  • Abandon unwanted hunting dogs causing them to roam around aimlessly and suffer. #9 Already illegal and not a practice dog hunters condone.

So they not being factual.
 

DRS

Old Mossy Horns
Stupid question since I am expert, but how does gps keep deer dogs from running on others property? If it is easily to cut them off I can get that but how do you control dogs?
I looked at a tract in Franklin County this morning. It was one of about 10 tracts in the middle of 3000 acres or so of land, all wooded. The tract I looked at was small with no roads or anything around it to block off. There is NO way that guy is not going to have dogs all over him every day they run that 3000 acres.
Your probably correct. That is why you need to be honest with them when they are looking at property to buy. I would not buy such property if I thought dogs would ruin my lifestyle. No, different than building houses near farms then complaining about the farms, IMO. Fences make good neighbors though, but are they good for keeping things out or in? Should a person need as much property as the dog hunter before they complain? Absolutely, that would stop some of this. It would go back to the size of a deer's home range again.
 

woodmoose

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If you think there are no regs in place now well you are the one with your head in the sand, given the posts you have already made it pretty obvious your stance and well even though I do have the time I don't have the inclination to try to sway someone that's mind is already made up.

I have a pretty good grasp what goes on as far as the good and bad, I dealt with it for years both personally and professionally.

give this man a harumph!!

 

ncdeerhunterRC

Four Pointer
I agree financial gain does not be a consideration for this topic at all but I wonder if this is just opinion or has the Whitetail Proeprties guy said something about money? I cant see how this would personally impact his bottom line much but maybe so. Maybe he is a landowner who is tired of fighting dogs? Maybe not.
Of course he is not going to publicly announce money is the driving force. That would confirm a self-serving agenda. No one does that. But since he is a realtor and incorporated the Alliance as a non-profit, yeah it is an opinion, but it sure fits nicely and from a business perspective a great idea. Sure it will help his bottom line, since there are so many landowners opposed to dog hunting, it is great marketing for these landowners to use him to sell/purchase land and feed his commission. If Whitetail Properties is behind the Alliance, and it involves hunting land/farm land, sure you can see a great marketing opportunity. Plus, if it closes the dog hunting clubs who have private property and this property is sold (even if it is not for sale, what better land to target as it has high potential to be sold), just perhaps he can have a client that works through him to purchase it? All sorts of ways it helps his business.
 

Tipmoose

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Respectfully, blaming liberals is doing nothing but putting the blame on somebody else when it is not there fault that property rights are being infringed. That is a liberal move in itself, to put the blame on somebody else entirely for self inflicted problems.

I am conservative and I will vote to get rid of dog hunting. I am tired of having my multiple properties, where the highest and best use is hunting , being impacted by dog hunters. That impacts my use, my enjoyment and the value of the property.

The majority of landowners I deal with are conservative business owners. Builders, contractors, lawyers, bankers, etc. ALL of my clients are pretty much conservative and against dog hunting, not in principal but because it degrades their enjoyment and use of their own property,

Blame the liberals if you want but if you do that and ignore the reason so many people are against it, you are not helping your own cause. I enjoyed dog hunting immensely and hate to see it go but when it affects my enjoyment and pocket book, I have a real issue. Maybe there is a way to regulate it better and not get rid of it but again, as long as dog hunters stick their head in the sand as to what it is doing to so many landowners, it will be doomed for sure. It is not the liberals fault nor the landowners fault.
I think we have a miscommunication. :) I am not calling you a liberal. I am only saying that the more liberals we import, the faster dog hunting (and all other forms of hunting) will be curtailed. But dogs will go first.

For what its worth, I personally, have no interest in running dogs or in putting up with lawless groups that just happen to always hunt nearby in good ole Caswell and Granville counties. And I won't shed any tears when it can only be done on large blocks of contiguous land, or is removed as an option entirely.
 
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ncdeerhunterRC

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Stupid question since I am expert, but how does gps keep deer dogs from running on others property? If it is easily to cut them off I can get that but how do you control dogs?
I looked at a tract in Franklin County this morning. It was one of about 10 tracts in the middle of 3000 acres or so of land, all wooded. The tract I looked at was small with no roads or anything around it to block off. There is NO way that guy is not going to have dogs all over him every day they run that 3000 acres.
The GPS tracks where the dogs are and we have our dogs tone trained to stop when we want them to.

As far as the tract of land in the middle of 3000 acres of land that allows dog hunting, if you don't like dog hunting, don't buy it. I once looked at a tract of land that bordered a busy highway. I couldn't stop the cars on the highway so I didn't buy it.
 

RJ1

Ten Pointer
Seriously , I am looking for constructive ideas??

If you are having problems with clubs doing this sit down with them and see if you can come up with something that is agreeable to both,we have used buffer zones on problem tracts, were they will not turn any deer hounds but if they get in there they work harder to get them out. I am not beyond getting behind having to have a minimum amount of acreage for a club to be able to run deer with hounds with a exception being made for land owners he would have to work what he does out with his neighbors.
 

nccatfisher

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If you are having problems with clubs doing this sit down with them and see if you can come up with something that is agreeable to both,we have used buffer zones on problem tracts, were they will not turn any deer hounds but if they get in there they work harder to get them out. I am not beyond getting behind having to have a minimum amount of acreage for a club to be able to run deer with hounds with a exception being made for land owners he would have to work what he does out with his neighbors.
The funny thing about these same folks that want dog hunters to have a 500 or even 1000 acre tracts of land to turn dogs on in turn don't think one thing about archery hunting on one or two acres though. Have you ever noticed that?
 

Southern

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The GPS tracks where the dogs are and we have our dogs tone trained to stop when we want them to.

As far as the tract of land in the middle of 3000 acres of land that allows dog hunting, if you don't like dog hunting, don't buy it. I once looked at a tract of land that bordered a busy highway. I couldn't stop the cars on the highway so I didn't buy it.

Cars have the legal right to be there. Your dogs don't have the right to be on my property. Different scenario sorry.

The problem for the landowner I spoke of is that eventually he will not be able to sell his land because everybody knows it is being encroached on by dogs. I am not talking beside him I am talking ON him. Kind of sucks for the old man who owns the land but cant get it sold because dogs cant read posted signs.
 
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