nchunt101
Ten Pointer
Not sure what a salt life sticker is but I do have a Googan4Lyfe wrap on my kayak.
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Justin
Old Mossy Horns
They come standard with Yeti And Costa stickers. Commonly found among maxi pads and tampons. I’ve seen them while walking past that aisle to get some ibuprofen for my shoulders and back after battling what three or four fish survived the gillnets.
oldest school
Old Mossy Horns
what a poster child for elitist attitudes this thread provides.
pitting NC natives against NC natives versus foreigners.
Boat versus sand versus net fishermen.
Rec fishermen versus rec fishermen versus commercial fishermen.
This could be better than any deer thread we have had.
It looks like great fun.
Please carry on.
pitting NC natives against NC natives versus foreigners.
Boat versus sand versus net fishermen.
Rec fishermen versus rec fishermen versus commercial fishermen.
This could be better than any deer thread we have had.
It looks like great fun.
Please carry on.
jgav
Four Pointer
This is great news! Hope this spreads quickly. My only concern would be the amount of time it would take the resource to recover in order to be able to accurately track the data to support the inevitable rebound.
Anybody who has spent time on the water and is honest and objective about the situation knows what a good move this is. It's just an inefficient system. Period. We all have anecdotal evidence if we've encountered them, I've been down tide/wind of guys cleaning out nets and seen undersized redfish after undersized redfish floating by belly up. Just an absolute waste. No care whatsoever about the fish/resource. Its shameful. If your "way of life" is dependent on raping the natural resources that you put nothing back into preserving, I could care less if some common sense regulations require you to find a new job. And just because its been done for years is no reason to continue it either.
And as it relates to "local" seafood, I'd happily pay a few bucks extra for South Carolina or Louisiana Redfish, trout, or Flounder if it means having our states fishing resources come back to full force.
Anybody who has spent time on the water and is honest and objective about the situation knows what a good move this is. It's just an inefficient system. Period. We all have anecdotal evidence if we've encountered them, I've been down tide/wind of guys cleaning out nets and seen undersized redfish after undersized redfish floating by belly up. Just an absolute waste. No care whatsoever about the fish/resource. Its shameful. If your "way of life" is dependent on raping the natural resources that you put nothing back into preserving, I could care less if some common sense regulations require you to find a new job. And just because its been done for years is no reason to continue it either.
And as it relates to "local" seafood, I'd happily pay a few bucks extra for South Carolina or Louisiana Redfish, trout, or Flounder if it means having our states fishing resources come back to full force.
shaggy
Old Mossy Horns
I remember a thread here a couple years ago about flounder gigging. I believe they had caught over 100 flounder in a week. Something most rec fisherman wouldn't be able to do in a full year of fishing.
Justin
Old Mossy Horns
We should ban centerfield cartridges. They’re way too effective on deer. I’m not seeing as many deer as my neighbor..... Nevermind the sweat equity he puts in.
shaggy
Old Mossy Horns
Pretty poor analogy. Sweat factor doesnt matter if your neighbor has a limit of 36 does and you only have a limit of 6. The damage he would do to the breeders would certainly drive deer numbers down.
Fact is status quo has not been working and it's time to find an alternative solution to endless netting and trawling our sounds and rivers.
Justin
Old Mossy Horns
Up your game. I’ve yet to go hungry if I wanted fish. I have quit fishing many times because I was tired of catching, or thrown them back because I had my fill/limits. I’m not a great fisherman either.
The fish in question....stripers, is a whole other ball park. That fishery is FUBARed beyond NC and not just a gill net/trawler issue. Flounder.... I’ll give you trawlers on the inside being an issue... part of it anyway.
Back to stripers. Comms and nets didn’t do
compared to 2 a day charters any time between thanksgiving and February in NC that the boats could get across the bar. 6 pack charters bringing in 8 man limits twice a day. All the Tom Dick and Harry guides that popped up then. Don’t forget when they were off Rudee and Cape Henry. Then on up into the bay.....everybody got while the getting was good. Everyone is to blame.
Mechanic Bob
Eight Pointer
How do you even consider yourself as a "Fisherman"? No Talent Needed, No investment in the future, just Rape the resources.
shaggy
Old Mossy Horns
My "game" is just fine. Over the years I've watched drum and flounder size and frequency drop off. I doubt the 3 rec guys I see fishing my favorite creek in a day is wiping out the stocks
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redbow
Ten Pointer
So basically, the rec guys are doing what the commercial guys have been doing for YEARS. You are correct, the power has shifted. I suggest you find a more productive way to be heard than coming on here and throwing around terms such as socialist, leftist, liberal etc. I understand your fear. You should be afraid. Years of abuse of OUR resource by a small minority may very well be coming to an end. And by the way this topic has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's fishing ability. Absolutely nothing!
redbow
Ten Pointer
You are a poster child for lurker. One who observes but does nothing. Please carry on.what a poster child for elitist attitudes this thread provides.
pitting NC natives against NC natives versus foreigners.
Boat versus sand versus net fishermen.
Rec fishermen versus rec fishermen versus commercial fishermen.
This could be better than any deer thread we have had.
It looks like great fun.
Please carry on.
Justin
Old Mossy Horns
You think I’m a commercial fisherman? Nope.
However, if you think there’s not talent needed, your ignorance far exceeds my expectations and for that, I applaud you. That takes some doings these days.
FishHunt
Old Mossy Horns
what a poster child for elitist attitudes this thread provides.
pitting NC natives against NC natives versus foreigners.
Boat versus sand versus net fishermen.
Rec fishermen versus rec fishermen versus commercial fishermen.
This could be better than any deer thread we have had.
It looks like great fun.
Please carry on.
There's not a nickel's worth of difference between the quasi-trophy hunters and the CCA. Not one red cent really.
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FishHunt
Old Mossy Horns
oldest school
Old Mossy Horns
well redbow I could start one of those I went fishing and caught this or I went hunting and did this threads as often as anyone we have here I suspect.
Somehow I just don't see the need to brag that way but yeah I can catch and kill stuff pretty well.
But that dont mean I cant observe does it?
this thread fascinates me in the rec subgroup that hates the other rec group who hates on the commercial fishermen.
as I said elitism at it's finest.
Philjam
Spike
Moved here 5 years ago have no complaints about catching fish. The hard part for me is learning how to find them. Have not been very successful catching trout, but ok catching flounder, reds and rock, although the 3 trips this week have been frustrating.
oldest school
Old Mossy Horns
That a positive attitude.
Fisherman have a myriad of excuses that we can use to explain a lack of success.
Our commercial fishermen are convenient and maybe totally legitimate reasons.
BUT I do know that the studies exist that show rec fisherman killing the majority of some species, drum and trout come to mind.
With that being said it is just so ironic when so many rec boys just have to kill every legal drum and trout they can yet complain about the commercial boys.
So why don't the rec boys take their own advice and limit their harvest of legal fish?
Is that just a total simplistic way to look at it?
Don't You kinda need to fix what you can control (your fish kills) before you decide what is wrong with the other side?
ECU_Pirate
Banned
Only problem with that is the state sets limits based on what reasonable take is. NC has some of the lowest limits on specks, flounder, and trout in the country. We are also one of the few that allow inshore gill netting and trawling. Coincidence? Rec fisherman in the state are already keeping low limits of fish. They have addressed that side of the issue.
Ambush
Twelve Pointer
Thirty years ago, as a young buck, I wrote a letter to the News and Observer about how commercials were destroying our fishery. It got published and the fishery has only gotten much worse since then. I’ll see if I can find it this week. Back then you could catch 12” croakers all you wanted in the sound. It was nothing to catch a cooler full of 2-3 lb grey trout every trip to Oregon Inlet. The guy’s up North tried to tell our state officials, we were destroying the grey trout fishery with winter netting. Our guys wouldn’t listen until it was too late.
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oldest school
Old Mossy Horns
well what if you didn't kill any?
If the fishery is in such dire straits wouldnt it make sense to release some even if they were legal?
Do your part to maintain what few are available?
I have heard many rec guys say that the commercial boys kill more in a day that I do in my life but hell they aint the only ones killing them. Pressure from the rec crowd has to be a factor in fish populations doesn't it?
How much has that fishing increased and what impact does it have?
Is the goal of the rec crowd to increase rec limits?
That really seems backward thinking to me.
Ambush
Twelve Pointer
Well, I can give you one example. I have a friend that was one of the most conservative anglers I know. He never kept drum and only a few flounder or trout he was going to eat. Then, after a few years of seeing how commercials and rec commercials abused the resource with most likely any fish he released, he started taking the opposite stand and started keeping everything close to legal. Many now on both sides figure if they don’t keep it, someone else will.
oldest school
Old Mossy Horns
and that is exactly what I speak to. A self defeating plan it would seem.
Your friend cant do anything about the commercial kill, he can control his kill.
To the next fisherman it has the same impact, less for him to catch. doesn't matter who is killing it.
Justin
Old Mossy Horns
Shoot the little buck because if you don’t, someone else will.
Reminds me, I need to put in a time off request to go soremouth some nonexistent, nonworld class, depleted drum with gillnet scars. They’ve shown their ugly heads.
Reminds me, I need to put in a time off request to go soremouth some nonexistent, nonworld class, depleted drum with gillnet scars. They’ve shown their ugly heads.
Ambush
Twelve Pointer
Like ECU said, recs have done their share with very low limits on our game fish and increased size and slots. Nets don’t give a damn.
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ECU_Pirate
Banned
So the Recs must keep nothing before they are allowed to ask the comms to keep less? This makes no sense. The problem is the commercial industry in NC has gone unchecked for so long that it has created major issues. The solution isnt for the rec side to start taking less. They have already done that over the years. Reducing limits and raising size restrictions. Your asking one side to give up more and more before the other side considers it.
Pressure fromt he rec crowd certainly is a factor. As stated above they have implemented ways to reduce it. I dont think the goal is necessarily to increase limits. It is to increase fish populations. The Comm industry has a massively disproportionate impact on the fisheries than the rec crowd. Yet it is a public resource. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense.
Justin
Old Mossy Horns
What seems to be the issue that we’ve got our huggies soggy over? Not catching what we want? Not enough? Not big enough? He’s got more than me? The trout are there. Hell, even little trout that the trawlers and freezes should’ve got. They caught big specs this winter. Gray trout? Little ones are there but it wouldn’t hurt my feelings to see them gone. The flounder are there. The big rock are NOT but that’s not just an NC thing. The cobia are there. The spots aren’t like they were but I’ll point at recs in that too. I’ve seen trash cans and coolers that couldn’t keep the lid shut, go off the piers back in the runs. Croakers? Not sure they’re worth crying over. Billfish are there. Tuna are there. Dolphin are there. Sharks are more than ever. Drum fishing is as good as anyone living can remember.
oldest school
Old Mossy Horns
Don't make a lotta sense to me to blame one group for killing fish when you are trying to have more to kill yourself.
they are dead either way?
Well I'll cast a line in this. I've grown up on this coast in a fishing village in a predominately commercial fishing county. Most people back then were able to make a humble living on the water, I never saw anybody getting rich, and there were plenty of fish in the Neuse.
I left for 35 years and came back home 10 years ago. You know what's actually different? In those same creeks I fished as a teenager back then there were no signs of humans. Wetlands that were once protected from development now have so many homes so close together on them that I swear they could share the soap with their neighbors without getting out of the shower. You can't walk around the corner of some of them without getting your feet wet and these folks spray enough fertilizers and pesticides to kill a small third world country all spring and summer......
Truth be told the commercial fishermen who once dominated the local population are long gone, have been for years, and now nearly three quarters of the population have to leave the county to feed their families. You're gonna have to find somebody else to blame it on folks, at least around here.
I see the recs come in in droves every weekend. I went to a kayak and put in at bridges alongside the highway most times because there's no room to park at most ramps. Hate to break it to ya folks but you can't drive down to the coast at 9AM, grab breakfast, and be back for lunch at noon and expect me to feel sorry for you because you didn't catch a limit of trout and flounder. I live here and know where a pretty fair amount of the fish I target can generally be found. I still don't catch a limit every time. It's been that way since I was a sprout in the 50's, it's nothing new. On the flip side sometimes if I come back to that same spot an hour later sometimes I can limit out in ten minutes. That's why they call it fishing and not catching.
But it's all the Commercial fisherman's fault? Sorry, that dog won't hunt, not anymore. Seems to me the homeowners and developers infringing on the wetlands and sterilizing the nursery AND the river are as much to blame as any commercial or recreational fisherman. And from what I see on a weekly basis I also believe that many recs have some pretty unrealistic expectations for the amount of time they put in....
I left for 35 years and came back home 10 years ago. You know what's actually different? In those same creeks I fished as a teenager back then there were no signs of humans. Wetlands that were once protected from development now have so many homes so close together on them that I swear they could share the soap with their neighbors without getting out of the shower. You can't walk around the corner of some of them without getting your feet wet and these folks spray enough fertilizers and pesticides to kill a small third world country all spring and summer......
Truth be told the commercial fishermen who once dominated the local population are long gone, have been for years, and now nearly three quarters of the population have to leave the county to feed their families. You're gonna have to find somebody else to blame it on folks, at least around here.
I see the recs come in in droves every weekend. I went to a kayak and put in at bridges alongside the highway most times because there's no room to park at most ramps. Hate to break it to ya folks but you can't drive down to the coast at 9AM, grab breakfast, and be back for lunch at noon and expect me to feel sorry for you because you didn't catch a limit of trout and flounder. I live here and know where a pretty fair amount of the fish I target can generally be found. I still don't catch a limit every time. It's been that way since I was a sprout in the 50's, it's nothing new. On the flip side sometimes if I come back to that same spot an hour later sometimes I can limit out in ten minutes. That's why they call it fishing and not catching.
But it's all the Commercial fisherman's fault? Sorry, that dog won't hunt, not anymore. Seems to me the homeowners and developers infringing on the wetlands and sterilizing the nursery AND the river are as much to blame as any commercial or recreational fisherman. And from what I see on a weekly basis I also believe that many recs have some pretty unrealistic expectations for the amount of time they put in....