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How often does any US law enforcement agency shoot over, say, 200- 300 yards?

You can't tell me a 6.5 creed is superior to a 308 win at the distances law enforcement shoots
 
Mr.Gadget

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CRC said:
How often does any US law enforcement agency shoot over, say, 200- 300 yards?

You can't tell me a 6.5 creed is superior to a 308 win at the distances law enforcement shoots
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What do you know other than what you read!
 

CRC

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  • Nearly 98% of recorded police sniper shootings took place at distances less than 200 yards. This is contrary to the belief that snipers in rural areas deploy and shoot at long ranges.
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Shots taken from 1984 to 2022 by "SWAT teams" in US

To date, we have collected reports of over 500 police sniper shootings that occurred between 1984 and 2022. Some highlights:
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hog&deerhunter

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Curious, what don’t you like about your 6.5 Creedmoor? I love mine and regularly shoot to 1000 yards. Can run a lot of rounds through it without being bothered by recoil. It loves 139 gr Scenars over H4350. High BC bullets that buck wind and maintain velocity are a no brainer.

Busting 4” clays at 550 builds a lot of confidence. What’s wrong with yours, for those who don’t care for them?
 
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hog&deerhunter said:
Curious, what don’t you like about your 6.5 Creedmoor? I love mine and regularly shoot to 1000 yards. Can run a lot of rounds through it without being bothered by recoil. It loves 139 gr Scenars over H4350. High BC bullets that buck wind and maintain velocity are a no brainer.

Busting 4” clays at 550 builds a lot of confidence. What’s wrong with yours, for those who don’t care for them?
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They're for women. Shoot a real gun. :)
 
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hog&deerhunter said:
Can run a lot of rounds through it without being bothered by recoil.
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I use a .22 rimfire for that,,,,,,,,,

hog&deerhunter said:
Curious, what don’t you like about your 6.5 Creedmoor? I love mine and regularly shoot to 1000 yards. Can run a lot of rounds through it without being bothered by recoil. It loves 139 gr Scenars over H4350. High BC bullets that buck wind and maintain velocity are a no brainer.
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6.5 creedmoor is a fine cartridge,,, just as is the 6.5x54 and 6.5x55,,,

it was designed to develop to reduce recoil for long(er) range target shooting while maintaining acceptable accuracy,,,,

it is NOT the end all be all when it comes to game hunting,,, it's a fine cartridge for it's limitations,,,, because the principles of physics have not been disproved yet

clay targets at 550,,, bet is was offhand as well,,,,,,,,, (y)
 
FishHunt

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hog&deerhunter said:
Bahahahaha. TFF

BUT, it's easy to tell thiose who shoot and those who don't. Carry on.
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And...it's even easier to pick out the thin skinned people who swallow the bait hook, line and sinker. :fishing:

The often touted "less recoil" is a very subjective thing. I find the variables of stock/chassis design, total rifle weight, braked/suppressed, bullet weight, shooting position and shooting form to have meaningful impact on felt recoil. Just spouting off about less recoil when there are so many variables at play shows how little one knows and/or is omitting about the subject.

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Underhammer

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FishHunt said:
I find the variables of stock/chassis design, total rifle weight, braked/suppressed, bullet weight, shooting position and shooting form to have meaningful impact on felt recoil. Just spouting off about less recoil when there are so many variables at play shows how little one knows and/or is omitting about the subject.

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My friends dad had a Ruger 77 wood stocked 30-06 that absolutely hammered the shooter. "killed on one end, maims on the other" was the phrase often used.

My Tikka T3 30-06, a substantially lighter weapon, is a pleasure to shoot.

Lot more to recoil than a cupcake cartridge....

And, with the number of available High BC bullets that buck wind and maintain velocity, I can shoot clay targets offhand at 550 yards without feeling like having a mimosa and scone afterwards....
 

hog&deerhunter

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The 6.5 CM and other PRC cartridges have barrels twisted correctly and throated for long high BC bullets that can be seated long without taking up powder space. They tend to be accurate rifles out of the box and easy to learn how to shoot long range. I don't know what's not to like. And no, I cannot shoot 4" clays offhand but have done it off the bench at 550. My buddy can shoot a 1 MOA steel plate (10" plate) at 1K with his.

I know folks talk junk about the 6.5 CM and I have to admit there is some funny stuff out there, but I ask again, why did you get rid of your 6.5 CM? What didn't you like about it? It's a neat little cartridge for shooting long range.

The folks that I know that shoot a lot at 500 plus yards have never said anything negative about the 6.5, even the shooters that don't own one. It's a cool little cartridge that has helped a lot of people get into long range shooting.

My new favorite is the 7 PRC. 180 gr match bullets launched around 2950 fps with an insane BC is the bomb. That said, Shooting 20 rounds plus can get a little fatiguing. I still love the little Creedmoor.
 
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Tipmoose

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hog&deerhunter said:
The 6.5 CM and other PRC cartridges have barrels twisted correctly and throated for long high BC bullets that can be seated long without taking up powder space. They tend to be accurate rifles out of the box and easy to learn how to shoot long range. I don't know what's not to like. And no, I cannot shoot 4" clays offhand but have done it off the bench at 550. My buddy can shoot a 1 MOA steel plate (10" plate) at 1K with his.

I know folks talk junk about the 6.5 CM and I have to admit there is some funny stuff out there, but I ask again, why did you get rid of your 6.5 CM? What didn't you like about it? It's a neat little cartridge for shooting long range.

The folks that I know that shoot a lot at 500 plus yards have never said anything negative about the 6.5, even the shooters that don't own one. It's a cool little cartridge that has helped a lot of people get into long range shooting.

My new favorite is the 7 PRC. 180 gr match bullets launched around 2950 fps with an insane BC is the bomb. That said, Shooting 20 rounds plus can get a little fatiguing. I still love the little Creedmoor.
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OK. Here's an honest reply as to why I dislike the 6.5 creed.

1. I don't shoot long range, but if I did, I would shoot my 338.
2. I hunt deer and every single trip where someone shoots one with a 6.5 it runs off with very little blood. Very similar to shooting a Powerbelt in a ML.
3. It's popular with a very vocal, and very annoying crowd. At this point, I refuse to get one on this basis alone.
4. I don't need it for anything. I've got a 223, 243 and a 270. There's nothing I can't hunt with those three that I can with a 6.5.
 
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Tipmoose said:
OK. Here's an honest reply as to why I dislike the 6.5 creed.

1. I don't shoot long range, but if I did, I would shoot my 338.
2. I hunt deer and every single trip where someone shoots one with a 6.5 it runs off with very little blood. Very similar to shooting a Powerbelt in a ML.
3. It's popular with a very vocal, and very annoying crowd. At this point, I refuse to get one on this basis alone.
4. I don't need it for anything. I've got a 223, 243 and a 270. There's nothing I can't hunt with those three that I can with a 6.5.
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Fair enough on 1 and 4. Have to call BS on 2 and 3, though. All four member of my family have successfully anchored many-a-deer with 6.5 CMs over the years. Regarding number 3, it is the anti's who are over the top annoyingly vocal. You see it everywhere.
 
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Deep River said:
Fair enough on 1 and 4. Have to call BS on 2 and 3, though. All four member of my family have successfully anchored many-a-deer with 6.5 CMs over the years. Regarding number 3, it is the anti's who are over the top annoyingly vocal. You see it everywhere.
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I suppose if you shoot enough deer with one you'll eventually hit the spine, so I will concede that much. :)

As for point three, Newton's Third Law of Motion covers that perfectly.
 
FishHunt

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hog&deerhunter said:
The 6.5 CM and other PRC cartridges have barrels twisted correctly and throated for long high BC bullets that can be seated long without taking up powder space. They tend to be accurate rifles out of the box and easy to learn how to shoot long range. I don't know what's not to like. And no, I cannot shoot 4" clays offhand but have done it off the bench at 550. My buddy can shoot a 1 MOA steel plate (10" plate) at 1K with his.

I know folks talk junk about the 6.5 CM and I have to admit there is some funny stuff out there, but I ask again, why did you get rid of your 6.5 CM? What didn't you like about it? It's a neat little cartridge for shooting long range.

The folks that I know that shoot a lot at 500 plus yards have never said anything negative about the 6.5, even the shooters that don't own one. It's a cool little cartridge that has helped a lot of people get into long range shooting.

My new favorite is the 7 PRC. 180 gr match bullets launched around 2950 fps with an insane BC is the bomb. That said, Shooting 20 rounds plus can get a little fatiguing. I still love the little Creedmoor.
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I got rid of the one lone 6.5 Creemoor that traded into because the only thing different it did compared to my .260Rem was shoot the same bullets slower. I really didn't feel like adding another cartridge to load for and stuck with the old .260 in a 1:8 barrel.

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hog&deerhunter

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Tipmoose said:
OK. Here's an honest reply as to why I dislike the 6.5 creed.

1. I don't shoot long range, but if I did, I would shoot my 338.
2. I hunt deer and every single trip where someone shoots one with a 6.5 it runs off with very little blood. Very similar to shooting a Powerbelt in a ML.
3. It's popular with a very vocal, and very annoying crowd. At this point, I refuse to get one on this basis alone.
4. I don't need it for anything. I've got a 223, 243 and a 270. There's nothing I can't hunt with those three that I can with a 6.5.
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Speaks volumes. You could have just said you have no personal experience shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor and you don't want to try anything new that you don't already have. I can accept that.

#3) aren't you a member of the opposing crowd? Same same
 
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hog&deerhunter

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FishHunt said:
I got rid of the one lone 6.5 Creemoor that traded into because the only thing different it did compared to my .260Rem was shoot the same bullets slower. I really didn't feel like adding another cartridge to load for and stuck with the old .260 in a 1:8 barrel.

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Valid. The 8 twist barrel is a game changer
 
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