Hunting lease ?

remingtonman

Four Pointer
Anyone have a copy of the document that is signed for a hunting lease? Should it be notarized? Any other words of wisdom?
 
Plenty of land lease agreements pdf online. I used one and modified it to fit the agreement/arrangement. Now landowner just ask for a verbal agreement. Their insurance said if it is a lease , insurance cost for them would be drastically more, even if we got our own insurance. We can not call it a club but just "permission to hunt" with signed slips.
 
A properly executed lease does not need to be notarized but I am a believer in over doing things. Its a quick trip to a notary and as things continue to heat up with leases, I would want the extra proof that the lease is legitimate but that is just me.
 
Southern said:
A properly executed lease does not need to be notarized but I am a believer in over doing things. Its a quick trip to a notary and as things continue to heat up with leases, I would want the extra proof that the lease is legitimate but that is just me.
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I’m slightly ignorant about the ins and outs, but this seems to be one of those things where the LEO is just going to throw their hands up and say “it’s a civil matter...”

Secondary to that, how often is leased land held by “Bill Smith” instead of “w.r smith revocable trust” or seven of his grandkids or “WRSmith Land and Timber Company?” The notary checks ID but are they verifying if you have legal standing to lease it in the first place?
 
JONOV said:
I’m slightly ignorant about the ins and outs, but this seems to be one of those things where the LEO is just going to throw their hands up and say “it’s a civil matter...”

Secondary to that, how often is leased land held by “Bill Smith” instead of “w.r smith revocable trust” or seven of his grandkids or “WRSmith Land and Timber Company?” The notary checks ID but are they verifying if you have legal standing to lease it in the first place?
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JONOV said:
I’m slightly ignorant about the ins and outs, but this seems to be one of those things where the LEO is just going to throw their hands up and say “it’s a civil matter...”

Secondary to that, how often is leased land held by “Bill Smith” instead of “w.r smith revocable trust” or seven of his grandkids or “WRSmith Land and Timber Company?” The notary checks ID but are they verifying if you have legal standing to lease it in the first place?
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Point one above- The lease question is about the owner honoring the lease, not LEO enforcement so yes if owner breaches, its a civil matter, i.e. contract law.
Point two above - Usually in my experience its just the landowner personally however, ALL owners, spouses, trustees, LLC managers with signing authority, heirs(and spouses) must sign to be a valid, enforceable contract. Notaries are not meant to decide legitimacy of the contract or who the owner is or who has signing authority. This is why I HATE DIY online contracts and leases. As much as leases cost now and as dishonorable as so many people are, spend a few hundred bucks and let an attorney draft the agreement. But again I like things done right and tend to be overkill but people lose leases every year due to sloppy/no agreements.
 
I have just had private contracts with the owner. Some are just hand shakes for insurance/liability purposes. I would have to look into having a lease recorded on a deed, if it was a long term lease. I would do this to protect myself in case something happened to the owner or owners.
 
DRS said:
I have just had private contracts with the owner. Some are just hand shakes for insurance/liability purposes. I would have to look into having a lease recorded on a deed, if it was a long term lease. I would do this to protect myself in case something happened to the owner or owners.
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Not a deed. Record a memo. I am a firm believer in this. A memo blocks chain of title and protects you better in many (not all) cases.
 
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BigGun1 said:
Plenty of land lease agreements pdf online. I used one and modified it to fit the agreement/arrangement. Now landowner just ask for a verbal agreement. Their insurance said if it is a lease , insurance cost for them would be drastically more, even if we got our own insurance. We can not call it a club but just "permission to hunt" with signed slips.
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This is exactly what we do on the farm I hunt at home. Farmer said insurance would be too expensive if he leases the land. So we get a “free lease” with just permission slips and I watch his equipment during the summer. He parks a lot of it on this farm because it is centrally located to other other land he tends/owns!
 
Have a provision that addresses the land being sold mid-season. Whether it be refund, prorated return or forfeiture of lease payment, it's best to have it defined beforehand. I learned the hard way this year.
 
JoeSam1975 said:
This is exactly what we do on the farm I hunt at home. Farmer said insurance would be too expensive if he leases the land. So we get a “free lease” with just permission slips and I watch his equipment during the summer. He parks a lot of it on this farm because it is centrally located to other other land he tends/owns!
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Two hundred bucks +/- for an insurance policy ( that the hunter will pay for) vs millions if your hunters kills a neighbor. That's rocket science there folks.
 
FFDCar1 said:
Have a provision that addresses the land being sold mid-season. Whether it be refund, prorated return or forfeiture of lease payment, it's best to have it defined beforehand. I learned the hard way this year.
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Yep, just one "hot button" I put in my personal leases. And be careful with the proration. If they sell in the fall, you still pay until then for the year and then miss hunting season. Nuances.
 
Southern said:
Two hundred bucks +/- for an insurance policy ( that the hunter will pay for) vs millions if your hunters kills a neighbor. That's rocket science there folks.
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You do you and don't worry about what anyone else does!! Him and his family owns about 11,500 acres over 3 counties!! It's worked for 30 years now!!!
 
JoeSam1975 said:
This is exactly what we do on the farm I hunt at home. Farmer said insurance would be too expensive if he leases the land. So we get a “free lease” with just permission slips and I watch his equipment during the summer. He parks a lot of it on this farm because it is centrally located to other other land he tends/owns!
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Kind of missing the point of insurance policy- all kinds of things covered with insurance policy to protect you and the landlord- we have like a 3 million dollar insurance policy that covers if we were to damage property- get hurt - stuff stolen- shoot someone/ fall out tree-

Now it’s still possible this day and time that people would try to sue the landlord for damages because you done something stupid on his land- so any landowner should have an umbrella policy to protect their property/ business/ family

Hell- everyone should carry an umbrella policy to protect themselves from being sued…. Especially if you have kids!!!!

350 a year for ours! Most people have minimum coverage insurance on kids driving a vehicle! Well, look at that coverage per incident- most minimal coverage won’t replace a car your kid totals- Tesla, BMW, Mercedes…. New F250…. Just saying….. guess who they suing for the balance- when your minimum policy doesn’t cover all!!

Side note- if they live under your roof but have a separate insurance policy on car- you still next up!!

And then figure a medical bill for the people hurt…. Minimum coverage ain’t touching it on auto policy…. Just saying….. Umbrellas are cheap and may save your equity and retirement money!!
 
What people dont understand about insurance is, typically, if somebody files suit against you or the landowner EVEN WHEN IF YOU DID NOTHING WRONG, the insurance company fights the battle for you. They pay the attorneys and fight the fight. Anybody who does not require insurance now as a landowner now is an idiot. All it takes is one fall from a treestand and your dead. Are you going to sue the landowner now that you are dead? Nope. Your widow wife is going to own that 11,000 acres.
 
Southern said:
What people dont understand about insurance is, typically, if somebody files suit against you or the landowner EVEN WHEN IF YOU DID NOTHING WRONG, the insurance company fights the battle for you. They pay the attorneys and fight the fight. Anybody who does not require insurance now as a landowner now is an idiot. All it takes is one fall from a treestand and your dead. Are you going to sue the landowner now that you are dead? Nope. Your widow wife is going to own that 11,000 acres.
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Southern said:
What people dont understand about insurance is, typically, if somebody files suit against you or the landowner EVEN WHEN IF YOU DID NOTHING WRONG, the insurance company fights the battle for you. They pay the attorneys and fight the fight. Anybody who does not require insurance now as a landowner now is an idiot. All it takes is one fall from a treestand and your dead. Are you going to sue the landowner now that you are dead? Nope. Your widow wife is going to own that 11,000 acres.
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Never said I didn’t have insurance, I just said the owner doesn’t lease land! My brother and I have insurance for our lease in Martin, but in all paper work it exclusively says the landowner is not liable for any injury blah blah blah and so on releasing the owner from anything! Lawyer approved!!
 
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