are you sure about that? before the small guages were coming into play there were "heated" discussions about teh loads value in 12 guage. Then ole Hal showed the world the potential in the pea shooters.The article is pretty good as far as the information goes but is limited to a 12 ga. test. I just contacted him and pointed out to him that TSS loads were originally rolled to enable one to shoot a smaller gauge like a 28 or 410 and still be an effective turkey gun.
my comment was to your statement about the original reason for rolling TSS. I did not think it was for the small stuff originally.Not sure I understand the question Oldest School. I was just saying, regarding the article, that had he included the pea shooters in his tests and not limited it to the 12 gauge it should have shown that the lead shot in the .410 at 40 yards would have been marginal at best if not totally unacceptable. I am most appreciative of the work Hal has done, and continues to develop in regards to the smaller gauge loads with TSS. Had it not been for his work, I probably wouldn't be turkey hunting now. I don't even shoot 12 ga. field loads any more. The sad part is that Hal has not received the credit for what he has done, much less any monetary rewards. That, to me, speaks highly of him as an advocate for the sportsmen of the world.
It's been a long time since I've seen TC here. Funny how when "pixie dust" became a widespread proven phenomenon, he just kind of faded away.Where is Turkey Commander when you need him? we had another poster who was deadly with #2 lead as well.
I agree. Killing dozens a year as he did (all legal) would tend to accelerate the learning curve.Ol turkey commander was hoot little bit off but he is one heck of turkey hunter his style just isn't for most by that I mean only for very few. I'd sure like tote one his trumpets through woods though
i'll go further. I aint gonna waste those things on paper. That is by far the second best reason for shooting them. No more chasing the "best" gun/choke/shell combo.It's been a long time since I've seen TC here. Funny how when "pixie dust" became a widespread proven phenomenon, he just kind of faded away.
I agree with turkeyfoot though - you don't need a bunch of patterning now. Throw in a TSS #9 shell of your choice and even a bad choke/gun combo probably has twice the hits you need. A good one will blow it away. Seems like this is the destination at the end of the road as far as shells go. Only need to tinker when you want a new gun.
Oh.... and Field and Stream is about the last place I'm going to find patterning information.
I'll admit that my knowledge about turkey loads and turkey hunting in general is limited. I started turkey hunting only about 15 years ago which is very short time by some of the more experienced turkey hunters here. Hal was the first one I ever heard about in reference to the TSS when I was complaining about not enjoying hunting with the 12 gauge and he offered me some TSS loads. I believe he was originally loading for his 28 gauge and had just recently moved to the .410. I believe it was a post he made here about a kill with his .410 that sent me into that direction. After talking with him some at that point I got the impression that he was one of the first to start rolling TSS and did it for the smaller gauges due to the reduced recoil. I'll have to as him about more specifics sometime. Regardless, I am sure glad it is here for my benefit although, once a gene is released from the bottle there can always be negative ramifications.my comment was to your statement about the original reason for rolling TSS. I did not think it was for the small stuff originally.
And of course I could be dead wrong. No worries,.
I sorta miss the good old days back on the NWTF and GON and Shotgun World and some other boards when everybody told me what I was doing was a lie, or it couldn't be done, or I was going to put an eye out, etc..... Kinda satisfying to see it become mainstream and to revolutionize turkey ammo, and to get the last laugh, so to speak...Where is Turkey Commander when you need him?
Yeah I know but won’t be using either
Already beat you to it, with a .22 mag and a couple other calibers, here and in WV. And it was legal.may not use corn (black sunflower seeds works better ) but I will one day shoot one with my 25-20, .32-20, .218 bee,,22 Hornet or 17 squirrel,,,,
just cause it is a VERY traditional method of turkey hunting and I like old traditions,,,
where legal of COURSE,,,,