CRC's Elk thread.

The NCWRC should manage elk for

  • tourism

    Votes: 10 12.0%

  • hunters

    Votes: 66 79.5%

  • landowners/farmers

    Votes: 7 8.4%
  • Total voters
    83

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
NC landowner attitudes towards elk and elk hunting


When asked about hunting, WNC landowners generally approved of regulated hunting (70%) and regulated elk hunting (61%). Less than half (47%) approve of elk hunting on or within 5 miles of their largest tract of land and 19% approve of allowing non-North Carolina residents hunt elk. A quarter (25%) of all survey respondents indicated that they would like to participate in elk hunting, compared to three-quarters (76%) of self-identified hunters who indicated that they would hunt elk. About half (46%) of respondents indicated that they would allow family members to hunt elk on their property, but only 12% indicated that they would allow others to hunt on their property and only 5% would lease their land. Only 350 respondents stated they would charge a fee to allow access for elk hunting and the average fee was $3,289.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
250 elk?

The elk herd for the Smoky Mountain Region has reached about 250 members, McVey said, though the term “herd” is a little misleading. Rather than moving in one big unit, the elk are in several smaller herds, including the groups that spend a lot of time in and around Maggie Valley.
Click to expand...

From the Waynesville Mountaineer newspaper
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
To feed or not feed elk in North Carolina?

Killing them with ‘kindness’

One of the biggest problems comes from citizens who feed the elk.
It is not illegal at this time to feed them outside of the national park, McVey said in an interview later this week, but it is harmful to the animals. One idea, encouraged by some residents at the meeting and suggested by McVey, is for the town board and other local agencies to pass ordinances prohibiting the feeding of the elk.

That prohibition is a hard one for the Wildlife Commission to impose on its own, McVey said, because feeding of natural foods to some wild animals, including bear, is allowed as part of wildlife management and hunting regulation. Adding a prohibition for elk could blur the rules and make enforcement difficult.

But if local governments pass ordinances specifically aimed at protecting elk in their boundaries, it might discourage those who think they are doing the elk a favor — which they’re not.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
Looks like the NCWRC biologists are in favor of the elk auction/raffle bill with some changes.

Not sure all the changes they want but I'm sure we will see them in the final bill if it gets a vote.

Might be complicated to pull off a hunt but WRC says doable.

200-300 elk. total in NC, University Tennessee refined population estimate not finished but will be this year.

Hunt is for 2024 if it happens.

Some commissioners speaking and want elk to remain a tourist attraction and not hunted.

WRC did not ask for elk hunt bill.

Commissioners don't want elk hunt now?

EBCI will not hunt any elk until WRC enacts elk hunt.

Representative Jay Adams now speaking and basically says bill is dead.
 
Last edited:

CRC

Old Mossy Horns

Unlimited archery elk hunting to end on Grand Mesa (Colorado)​

The agency’s commission recently approved a staff proposal to end the sale of over-the-counter archery elk licenses on the six game management units comprising the Grand Mesa due to concerns such as hunter crowding, reduced hunting success and elk being driven onto private lands.
Click to expand...

www.gjsentinel.com

Unlimited archery elk hunting to end on Grand Mesa

The days of unlimited archery elk hunting are coming to an end on Grand Mesa, the latest area to see a change that Colorado Parks and Wildlife will consider making
www.gjsentinel.com www.gjsentinel.com
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
One of the concern's the NCWRC has with opening an NC elk hunting season is that the vast majority of the elk (as of 2023) are on private lands and they have concerns with hunters paying "trespass fees" to access private lands to hunt elk.

Do you think 'trespass fees' violate the fact that wildlife resources are a public trust?

(a) The marine and estuarine and wildlife resources of the State belong to the people of the State as a whole. The Department and the Wildlife Resources Commission are charged with stewardship of these resources.
Click to expand...

Is the increasingly high cost of accessing or leasing private lands for hunting violating NC's state constitutional right to hunt and fish?
 
woodmoose

woodmoose

Administrator
Staff member
Contributor
CRC said:
One of the concern's the NCWRC has with opening an NC elk hunting season is that the vast majority of the elk (as of 2023) are on private lands and they have concerns with hunters paying "trespass fees" to access private lands to hunt elk.
Click to expand...

where pray tell did you get that bit of information

how is a trespass fee for elk hunting any different than paying for a lease?

you sure reach a lot to stir that pot

the wildlife may be a "public trust" but a person's land is a person's land - you want access you get permission,,,and sometimes that permission comes with a price tag
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
woodmoose said:
where pray tell did you get that bit of information

how is a trespass fee for elk hunting any different than paying for a lease?

you sure reach a lot to stir that pot

the wildlife may be a "public trust" but a person's land is a person's land - you want access you get permission,,,and sometimes that permission comes with a price tag
Click to expand...

It was mentioned by the WRC commissioners when they were talking about the elk hunting bill proposed in the General Assembly.

I thought it was interesting they were upset about a lack of access to hunt elk and possibly paying a landowner a fee to hunt their property.

Which seemed to be why they refuse to support any elk hunt right now.
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
surveyor said:
You can word smith it how you want, but are you asking if personal property rights violate the state constitution?

Edit: Nevermind, Woodmoose types faster....
Click to expand...

Yes.

Does a right to hunt a public trust wildlife resource (like elk for example) trump concerns on access to private property if that resource does not exist on public land?

Sec. 38. Right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife. The right of the people to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife is a valued part of the State's heritage and shall be forever preserved for the public good. The people have a right, including the right to use traditional methods, to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife, subject only to laws enacted by the General Assembly and rules adopted pursuant to authority granted by the General Assembly to (i) promote wildlife conservation and management and (ii) preserve the future of hunting and fishing. Public hunting and fishing shall be a preferred means of managing and controlling wildlife. Nothing herein shall be construed to modify any provision of law relating to trespass, property rights, or eminent domain. (2018-96, s. 1.)
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:

JONOV

Old Mossy Horns
CRC said:
One of the concern's the NCWRC has with opening an NC elk hunting season is that the vast majority of the elk (as of 2023) are on private lands and they have concerns with hunters paying "trespass fees" to access private lands to hunt elk.

Do you think 'trespass fees' violate the fact that wildlife resources are a public trust?



Is the increasingly high cost of accessing or leasing private lands for hunting violating NC's state constitutional right to hunt and fish?
Click to expand...

Is that what they're actually concerned about? Or are they concerned about unintended consequences in the area?
 

30/06

Twelve Pointer
This is how it is in KY, while I haven’t been lucky enough to draw a tag, probably never will, it is my understanding that most of the elk are holed up on private. I’m sure there is a cost in getting access, sometimes you have to pay to play.
 
Moose

Moose

Administrator
Staff member
Contributor
Just get a permit to bait on GLs 😉 ....... couple hundred pounds of the golden nuggets and they'll be easy pickings. 😀
 
wturkey01

wturkey01

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
CRC said:
It was mentioned by the WRC commissioners when they were talking about the elk hunting bill proposed in the General Assembly.

I thought it was interesting they were upset about a lack of access to hunt elk and possibly paying a landowner a fee to hunt their property.

Which seemed to be why they refuse to support any elk hunt right now.
Click to expand...
 

Attachments

  • interesting-thread.gif
    interesting-thread.gif
    460.4 KB · Views: 17
lasttombstone

lasttombstone

Kinder, Gentler LTS
Excet for the people with high fences, the wildlife is free to go and come as they please. Just because they spend time on an individual's personal property does not mean they belong to them. They are still a state resource and are free to go and come as they please. The person who, with property and means, can provide more for the wildlife than the state does will probably have a better population present than the state does on state land.
 
luckybuck

luckybuck

Old Mossy Horns
CRC said:
Yes.

Does a right to hunt a public trust wildlife resource (like elk for example) trump concerns on access to private property if that resource does not exist on public land?
Click to expand...
Private land is just that private....if you want on it pay the person who pays taxes on it...they sure as hell don't cut breaks on property taxes so it must be the landowners and the landowner deserves a break or money to help them out...
 

oldest school

Old Mossy Horns
This is a low point for your pot stirring crc- You should review some of your recent attempts for guidance. The long range shot ethical deal is a good example.
Woodmoose should have just locked this nonsense after his reply.
 

Wanchese

Twelve Pointer
NCWRC sure wasn’t worried about trespass fees when they came up with the Alligator season a few years back. Actually, I think trespass fees were the only reason it even made it to the table.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CRC

JONOV

Old Mossy Horns
Wanchese said:
NCWRC sure wasn’t worried about trespass fees when they came up with the Alligator season a few years back. Actually, I think trespass fees were the only reason it even made it to the table.
Click to expand...
Is it different than a traditional hunting lease or permission on private land?

That might seem like a dumb question. Does the WRC put a system in place by which a gator tag holder can find land and pay trespass fees specifically for gator hunting?
 
  • Like
Reactions: LDG

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
oldest school said:
This is a low point for your pot stirring crc- You should review some of your recent attempts for guidance. The long range shot ethical deal is a good example.
Woodmoose should have just locked this nonsense after his reply.
Click to expand...

Whats wrong with landowners charging fees for access for hunting?
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
Wanchese said:
NCWRC sure wasn’t worried about trespass fees when they came up with the Alligator season a few years back. Actually, I think trespass fees were the only reason it even made it to the table.
Click to expand...

I think part of it was allowing elk hunting on the 2,000 acre game lands in Maggie Valley.

Its the only game lands in the state that elk actually frequent but its surrounded by houses and the game lands (apparently according to them) is supposed to be an elk sanctuary where the elk stay there instead of causing problems in town.

So its not actually game lands for hunting and any hunting would have to be done on private property, hence access fees if even a landowner allows hunting.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top