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One thing is for sure, if you want to be talked out of a purchase, just start a thread saying you're thinking of buying it on NCHF. You will be sure to know of every flaw within about 24 hours. That has value, but it can be a bit one-sided.
The fact that 10 people haven't already balked at the price and given you examples of where you could get it cheaper means it's probably a fair price.
Doubt that very seriously. Have you priced a used tacoma lately?
Guy I know just listed this ‘96 for $7500. He’ll get it too.View attachment 63664
Not likely, my 09 Tacoma with 230k miles still books over 15 grand.To further discourage you let me point out that the truck will be worth less than $10,000 in 10 years.
The 4runner still has the 4.0. And that one has dual VVT. They have much more usable power and torque than the Tacomas 3.5Have a ‘18 TRD Runner that’s essentially the same if the one your looking at has CRAWL package. Love it, 50k miles and tow a trailer when needed.
My 17 Ram was a tad over 42 and has lots of extras. 2500 4x4, 4 door, longbed.Honest Question.
What truck doesn't suck that cheaper than a house???
It eats brakes, vibration like all tacos do and small problems.
It eats headlights and the marker lights are burning a hole in the light cover.
I the air pumps started in 2012 if I recall.Vibration is probably either driveshaft or the left front cv axle if 4x4. They had a ton of DS issues and are now replacing ujoints, center bearings, and rebalancing them under warranty.
I had mine done at 220k miles after doing them myself twice.
The left front needle bearing assembly in the front carrier is a big source of vibrations too. I installed a solid bushing from east coast gear supply in Raleigh and solved mine.
Toyota issued a semi-recall on the headlight housings for the marker issue and replaced them for free with an updated part. Unfortunately it wasn't widely publicized and the replacement period didnt last long.
Mine were done under the recall at 175k and they've been good since.
The ujoints, the waterpump, and that bearing/bushing are the only issues I've had on the 09.
When they started with airpumps on them in 2011 they started having issues though.
Have a ‘18 TRD Runner that’s essentially the same if the one your looking at has CRAWL package. Love it, 50k miles and tow a trailer when needed. I’ve a 7.3 F-250 to for real heavy work. Mileage is worse or comparable to the 7.3 I guess. 18.3 mpg or something last I saw and Holds 17-18 galllons.
Had it here in a bad ice / snow storm on the steep windy hills and went to next town over. Subies, Chevy/Ford SUVs, etc all used to NE Snowfall stuck on steep part climbing out of Valley. I had to stop dead on black ice as they slid toward me right on the steep portion. Threw it in 4 low and locked. My tires are factory sort of street tires too. Drove up and around them without missing a beat. Next town was 3’ of snow and folks out cleaning up chatting since no one in their right mind would drive on that mess. Got the evil eye and a few even refused to move. I’ve had quite a few vehicles over the years and drive mostly mid-large suv rentals for work travel all year. Most capable vehicle I’ve been in and that includes some early year Yotas built for crawling and wheeling. Even has “Dummy” buttons so you don’t have to decide rear lock, front A-Trac(sweet feature too), you just select road conditions in 4 Low and it does the rest.
I liked the manual knobs inside, etc. Recently drove a new Atlas and all the lane assist stuff is nice but it doesn’t let you feel connected to the road. The Runner feels like a truck and rides like one. The next Expedition Max XL, Dodge Longhorn, Nissan Armada, and. Few others feel more powerful but ride Like big cushy boats. Nice sometimes like hauling a large family but definitely a different feel than the TRD. My Ex-Stepfather buys a new TRD Taco every 3 years and loves them. About the only other vehicle I had on list to look at was a GX460 with the now dated V-8.After my fiasco with blow by on the Lexus car and my Mom, a coworker. and a buddy all having a ton of issues with Ford F-150s I’m avoiding high compression turbo charged anything personally. I’m not keen on the 5 liter having “coated” cylinder walls vs sleeves in the aluminum block either.
. Pulled an 18ft aluminum boat from here to Kansas and back and averaged 15mpg. .
You're right, I meant after 2011. When they went to the slighty different front bumper and headlights.I the air pumps started in 2012 if I recall.
Have a 2011 without, the 2012 had it and nothing but problems. It burnt the pump up and the valves also.
I will stick to bullet points. Facts and opinions are my own while driving it and using it when I don't need a superduty. I owned a 2003 model so I like Toyotas. My daily driver is a 2017 F250 diesel.
I purchased a 2018 TRD off road preowned in January 2019 for my son. It had 27,000 miles and I paid $27.500. I understand post covid prices have gone up.
Pros- the collision avoidance stuff is good for a first time driver. Makes me sleep better that he can't rear end someone.
The 4x4 system is great and so is the crawl control features.
It's easy to park in urban areas and does well on the farm when it gets muddy.
Cons- It gets worse average mileage than my 6.7 powerstroke. Hand calculated and triple checked.
I loaded the bed with tile from a laundry remodel at my house and it was on the bump stops almost immediately. Kind of shocked how bad the springs are.
The transmission is horrible, shifts all the time, rear end seems to randomly clunk at a stop light.
Fuel pump was recalled and the dash panel, clear piece with speedo, has developed cracks. common problems from what I have seen online and from the large backlog of the service department.
Radio is pretty dated if that matters. Compared to my Ford Sync it's pretty terrible. May not be a deal breaker, again just an observation.
Cab is pretty cramped for the fuel mileage it gets. It gets worse mileage than a 2.7 f150 and has the overall room of a civic.
Overall Verdict- It's not your fathers Tacoma. My 2003 had no issues for 175,000 miles. Sure I maintained it and it was on new shocks and tires, but I wouldn't have hesitated to drive it anywhere.
This 2018 is just like any other truck at this point. Largely riding on it's reputation but its no better or worse than a domestic in my ownership time.
I've been to the dealer to have the fuel pump done, the transmission flashed etc. But the horrible gas mileage, poor capacity, dated radio, horrible shifting etc. don't give me the warm and fuzzy feelings of prior tacomas.
I ordered a new bronco two weeks ago and while at the dealership I test drove the ranger. If shopping today I'd buy a ranger over the tacoma, purchase an 8 year 150k genuine ford warranty from Flood Ford for $1500 and sleep well knowing I'd be covered for turbos blowing up for the time I'd own with a $100 deductible.
If you expect to own the Tacoma for 150k trouble free miles, I'd bet it's not going to happen.
I normally get around 17mpg so I’m pretty good with it. It’s better than I expected.Got to say if that is true, its some of the best milage I have seen.
We were hard pressed to get 15 to 16 out of both of ours on a road trip or around town.
Also when pulling the ATV on its trailer time and time again I checked and rechecked.
Best I could get was 12 mpg most the time it was 9 to 10 max when towing.
When I picked up my 18' aluminum boat after a few trips I knew I needed to tow with something different.
Are they still using 1980's drum brakes on the back of them? Or did they go disk finally?
I'm a Toyota guy. I've driven them since I was 16 and have owned 7(still own 3). Those 7 have 1.8 million miles between them on original engines/trans and all but one still run( mom ran over something and knocked a hole in the oil pan)
All of those were Japanese built except the Tacoma.
In my opinion quality has slowly fallen since North American production has started. I still think Toyotas engines are some of the best assembled engines in the industry. But I dont really care for the newer designs.
I dont plan on owning another Tacoma unless it was built before 2012, unless Toyota makes some big changes.
4runners are about the only current production Toyota that I care for. They're all built in Japan and quality still seems to be good.
It's not about pulling heavy loads with the new motor. it's about the shift pattern and lack of torque in the 3.5 motor and new transmission. I get single digits with a war eagle and trailer and at best 16 or 17 empty.Sounds like people should be buying a tundra instead of a Tacoma if they want to pull heavy loads I’ve got a 2011 I can’t complain only pull utility trailer with a four wheeler does fine 20 miles per gallon best I’ve got
Or any full size truck really. Complaining about the tow/haul capabilities of a compact/midsize truck is a you problem, not a truck problem.Sounds like people should be buying a tundra instead of a Tacoma if they want to pull heavy loads
It's not about pulling heavy loads with the new motor. it's about the shift pattern and lack of torque in the 3.5 motor and new transmission. I get single digits with a war eagle and trailer and at best 16 or 17 empty.
The answer I keep getting is that brand domestic xyz won't be around at 200k miles. I'd venture these mexican built tacomas won't be either.
And I saw with my own eyes a brand new 16 tacoma come off the car hauler with a dead miss on #4 cylinder.I do think people chiming in with pre 2016 tacomas have no idea just how bad the atkinson cycle 3.5 motor is. To assume its even in the same ballpark as the 4.0 is a huge fallacy. If I blindfolded anyone and told them to drive the post 2016 tacoma I don't think a single person would choose it. It really is riding on it's reputation at this point.
I guess it is not really the tool for the job for say but how and what you are told about the tool when you buy it.Or any full size truck really. Complaining about the tow/haul capabilities of a compact/midsize truck is a you problem, not a truck problem.
Use the right tool for the job.
A lot of it stems from the fact that the previous generation Tacoma did a pretty good job with it.Or any full size truck really. Complaining about the tow/haul capabilities of a compact/midsize truck is a you problem, not a truck problem.
Use the right tool for the job.