Bear shot, two of three cubs rescued in Maggie Valley ( Haywood County)

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
Remove the bird feeders, this from an agency that just legalized bear baiting

You can't make this up.
 

wncdeerhunter

Old Mossy Horns
Remove the bird feeders, this from an agency that just legalized bear baiting

You can't make this up.

That part actually made sense. Folks generally aren't baiting in residential areas. This guy said he thinks the NCWRC should come move the bears off his property....typical non-native not from around here attitude.
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
That part actually made sense. Folks generally aren't baiting in residential areas. This guy said he thinks the NCWRC should come move the bears off his property....typical non-native not from around here attitude.

In some states they do.

They also do in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

Its just expensive to do.
 

wncdeerhunter

Old Mossy Horns
In some states they do.

They also do in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

Its just expensive to do.

And pointless. The bears were here first. It's not hard to live around them if people use some common sense. They will in the Smokies if there is an aggressive bear problem and you know why? Because they are generally in remote areas where that type of behavior is not normal. Bears eating from bird feeders is the norm here in populated areas.

If you don't like the bears that close, don't move here. This guy stupidly aggravated these circumstances with his actions and essentially forced the bear into doing that with the cubs. Had he simply removed the food source the first time, that would have solved the problem. How many bears is he gonna shoot in order to "bird watch" in the future?

The sad thing is he hasn't learned a lesson from all this.
 

wturkey01

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
After reading this mans quotes and his opinions, I feel
It's safe to say he's an idiot. Some people amaze me.

:donk

Saying things like "they should keep the bears off my property" removes the blame from him and puts it on the WRC......all the while he is "baiting" the bears with his bird feeders.

He probably owns 1 lot consisting of about 1/2 acre and thinks the bears only live on his property!

I cringe when I read that they are re-habbing the cubs and will release them back into the wild later........don't they know that the cubs are now forever imprinted to humans and will never be truly wild bears??

After their "release into the wild" they will immediately return to the neighborhoods looking for food and some other clueless "resident" will again complain.

Clueless urban Floridiot!!:mad:
 
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1SHOT1KILL

Old Mossy Horns
We can only hope that Karma catches up with this moron and he is mauled serverly by a bear on one of his bird watching hikes.
 

wncdeerhunter

Old Mossy Horns
I have trouble believing that a responsible adult could make a statement like this!

I don't wish harm on the guy at all, I'm just fed up with the out of towners coming here and demanding we do something about the wildlife problems. The wildlife was here first and their area to live is becoming less and less. If you build a house in a mountainous, wooded area in WNC, you're going to have bears.

Where I live it is very rural and there is lots of undeveloped woodland. In the 5 years I have lived here, I have had maybe a total of 4 bear "encounters" (this includes trail cam pictures. Only one have we actually seen, and that was in the woods deer hunting). While I know there are plenty of bears around this area, based on the bear hunter's success, we don't have the problems because they still have plenty of places to stay out of the way and there are plenty of other food sources to go after vs. birdfeeders and trashcans. They don't put out birdfeeders and the bears can't get in their trashcans, so guess what? The bears just pass through to find it elsewhere. They no longer have "problem" bears, they just see them passing through.

The guy who shot this bear has no clue about nature and her ways, and is causing his own problems. Shame they couldn't charge him.

Now, I have family that lives in the city of AVL, and they have bear encounters nearly every week or so. And they have bearproof City of AVL trashcans. And since they
 

lasttombstone

Kinder, Gentler LTS
So who, that lives in a subdivision, goes into the back yard at daybreak with a weapon capable of killing a bear unless that is your original intention.
 

roundball

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
So who, that lives in a subdivision, goes into the back yard at daybreak with a weapon capable of killing a bear unless that is your original intention.

Exactly the same thought I had...

If you want to enjoy backyard nature you have to adapt...not kill backyard nature.
I learned early on to bring in my birdfeeders at night...otherwise the deer will drain them.

 

153

Six Pointer
I don't have a problem with the shooting. I would not want a bear around me, especially with cubs. When the bears start paying for the land and paying taxes, then they can have run of the land. I have purchased 65 acres of land and get to pay land taxes twice yearly(Halifax Co., Va. you pay in once in June and once in Dec.). My land , my rules.
 

Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
Except the wildlife don't belong to you. This ain't Europe. There's a reason depredation laws are in place. This guy bought a summer home in an area that's heavily populated with bears, and then put out a food source. The guy's a idiot, plain and simple.
 
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Mack in N.C.

Old Mossy Horns
I don't have a problem with the shooting. I would not want a bear around me, especially with cubs. When the bears start paying for the land and paying taxes, then they can have run of the land. I have purchased 65 acres of land and get to pay land taxes twice yearly(Halifax Co., Va. you pay in once in June and once in Dec.). My land , my rules.

so a bear can survive and live on 65 acres......got it.

really, like ld said whether you own 65 or 6500 acres they do not belong to the landowner....I have a problem with the shooting. he should of stayed his :donk:donk:donk inside and calledthe police and or wildlife and he should not be so self centered and take the bird feeders down, also I spoke with a Virgina warden few days ago just about this incident and he told me if this happened in Virginia they would have charged him. also the guy who took the bear illegally for the meat should be charged.
that must be some very productive 65 acres you got there.
 

Mack in N.C.

Old Mossy Horns
Except the wildlife don't belong to you. This ain't Europe. There's a reason depredation laws are in place. This guy bought a summer home in an area that's heavily populated with bears, and then put out a food source. The guy's a idiot, plain and simple.

short but right on the money. I hate to say it but this is what this country is coming too....people buy a little piece of land and think that the wildlife on it is theirs to do as they wish.......I had a bear on my land in Alamance co and no way would I ever consider it my bear and wish to kill it illegally.
 

wturkey01

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
I looked him up on the County website........the genius owns 0.46 acres!!

HaHa......a real prime bear hunting estate there!!:mosh:

He needs to open up a guide service!!:p
 

Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
I'm betting the reason he wasn't charged is because they've basically got his word as to what happened. They may not be able to make a charge stick in court if he changes his tune to "the bear charged me." That said, this is 100% my personal opinion.
 

NCST8GUY

Frozen H20 Guy
He believes the Wildlife Resources Commission needs more funding to be able to capture and relocate bears who show up in residential areas.

Me thinks it'd be cheaper to recloate him and those like him instead.
 

nchunt101

Ten Pointer
I would like to kick the guys :donk:donk:donk. It takes a common SOB to do something like that over fifty cents of damn bird food.
 

alt1001

Old Mossy Horns
I just love when people who have no place living on a mountain, buy a home on a mountain and completely fudge things up. There is a guy in Haywood County right now having to fight a civil suit because a guy from Florida bought a section of land across from him, only lives there for 2 months out of the year, and doesn't like the sound of the fella's bear dogs barking even though the guy has lived there his entire life. The Floridiot sued the hunter for $25k for 'undue stress and hardship'.
 

Craig@NC

Guest
Any of you could go make an offer on his property to "send him back to Florida" if you want so he can be with the other "Floridiots" I see mentioned here. The clannish, anti-outsider rhetoric gets old. Criticize actions or attitude but "he ain't from 'round here" doesn't add much weight to an argument.

The shooter seems to have a poor attitude about adapting to his surroundings. Probably going to get himself into trouble one way or another.
 

alt1001

Old Mossy Horns
Any of you could go make an offer on his property to "send him back to Florida" if you want so he can be with the other "Floridiots" I see mentioned here. The clannish, anti-outsider rhetoric gets old. Criticize actions or attitude but "he ain't from 'round here" doesn't add much weight to an argument.

The shooter seems to have a poor attitude about adapting to his surroundings. Probably going to get himself into trouble one way or another.

Nobody here has an anti-outsider rhetoric towards anyone who lives within the social norm for this area. That's the difference.

If you're going to stir the pot, prepare to lick the spoon.
 
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Deerjager

Guest
Any of you could go make an offer on his property to "send him back to Florida" if you want so he can be with the other "Floridiots" I see mentioned here. The clannish, anti-outsider rhetoric gets old. Criticize actions or attitude but "he ain't from 'round here" doesn't add much weight to an argument.

The shooter seems to have a poor attitude about adapting to his surroundings. Probably going to get himself into trouble one way or another.

I am an outsider here in my county, having lived here just 17+ years. This is a very clannish and close knit community. Even though I am a NC native, I am not a county native. I have assimilated quite well though & most think I am from here. I put forth the effort to meet and endear myself to residents here. Those arrogant pricks that do not assimilate deserve the rhetoric AND the criticism.
 
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153

Six Pointer
so a bear can survive and live on 65 acres......got it.

really, like ld said whether you own 65 or 6500 acres they do not belong to the landowner....I have a problem with the shooting. he should of stayed his :donk:donk:donk inside and calledthe police and or wildlife and he should not be so self centered and take the bird feeders down, also I spoke with a Virgina warden few days ago just about this incident and he told me if this happened in Virginia they would have charged him. also the guy who took the bear illegally for the meat should be charged.
that must be some very productive 65 acres you got there.

Yes Mack it is very productive. I have six food plots of clover, oats, wheat and soybeans depending upon time of the year. I have two ponds and I had timbered about 20 acres to let grow up as cover for game. I have had bears, bobcats, yotes and lots of deer. Just don't want a bear that close to my house with cubs. Just like I shoot yotes, snakes or other animals I do not want around me. How would you like someone to come to your house/land and tell you to quit killing flies, snakes, groundhogs, etc. that you did not want to be around. Some here sound like Socialist they want to tell you how to live on your own land and what to kill and not to kill.
As to calling the law, any kind of law, it would take them at least an hour to show up if you are lucky. I do not need the government to take care of me. To many people here now that what on the government to take care of all there needs. The last time I called the Game Warden for someone who had spot lighted and killed a deer at night with a light, I was asked if I knew who it was. I told the GW I was pretty sure and we could go the the person's house, oh no said the GW not unless I have positive ID or a plate number off truck. GW would not even come out to my land. Let Obama take care of you and yours but not for me.
 
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Southside

Ten Pointer
Yes Mack it is very productive. I have six food plots of clover, oats, wheat and soybeans depending upon time of the year. I have two ponds and I had timbered about 20 acres to let grow up as cover for game. I have had bears, bobcats, yotes and lots of deer. Just don't want a bear that close to my house with cubs. Just like I shoot yotes, snakes or other animals I do not want around me. How would you like someone to come to your house/land and tell you to quit killing flies, snakes, groundhogs, etc. that you did not want to be around. Some here sound like Socialist they want to tell you how to live on your own land and what to kill and not to kill.
As to calling the law, any kind of law, it would take them at least an hour to show up if you are lucky. I do not need the government to take care of me. To many people here now that what on the government to take care of all there needs. The last time I called the Game Warden for someone who had spot lighted and killed a deer at night with a light, I was asked if I knew who it was. I told the GW I was pretty sure and we could go the the person's house, oh no said the GW not unless I have positive ID or a plate number off truck. GW would not even come out to my land. Let Obama take care of you and yours but not for me.

Who said anything about the gov taking care of us? As far as your thoughts on gov't,property rights,ect.. I think alot of people hear would agree with you but this issue was about an idiot (anti-outsider showing through)that bought a house in an area that has bears,baits them but doesn't want them near the food he puts out. What dumbass hasn't heard time and time again not to put food out even specifically bird food. He intended to kill the bear out of shear stupidity. Anyone with half a brain knows it.
 
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153

Six Pointer
Who said anything about the gov taking care of us? As far as your thoughts on gov't,property rights,ect.. I think alot of people hear would agree with you but this issue was about an idiot (anti-outsider showing through)that bought a house in an area that has bears,baits them but doesn't want them near the food he puts out. What dumbass hasn't heard time and time again not to put food out even specifically bird food. He intended to kill the bear out of shear stupidity. Anyone with half a brain knows it.

I think I have more than half a brain. Maybe he was just a bigger bird lover/watcher. Some people are just touched and we have to let them go on there way as long as it does not interfere with us.
I was working in northern VA about 30 years ago replacing open wire circuits(old telephone line with a diameter of about .139") with newer shielded 25 pair cable on 5/16 strand. The land owner contacted the phone company we were working for and wanted to leave the old small .139" wire up. His reason was the bigger cable was to big for the birds little feet and they need somewhere to sit, so the old wire stayed up. Again his land his way. We all thought his was crazy but I am sure some of the thing we all do are crazy.
I do not think I have the right to tell you what too do on your land nor should you have the right to tell me what to do on my land.
Lets us agree to disagree.
 
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