Anybody have any problems with allowing the release or stocking of

CRC

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chukar, red-legged and Hungarian partridges in NC for the purposes of hunting and bird dog training?


Right now they are considered exotic species (which they are) and illegal to release.
 

CRC

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The law is being changed to allow shooting preserves to release them but not private individuals or hunt clubs
 
woodmoose

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The law is being changed
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dang,,,somebody better tell all the preserves that have been offering chukar for the last FOREVER that they were too early for this "law change"

http://www.dewittsoutdoorsports.com/hunting/

get a clue Sir,,,chukar releases for training and canned hunts have been legal for a long while
plus NAVHDA events,,,people training,,,etc etc etc
 
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CRC

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Actually no.

The release of exotic species has been illegal since 1965.

Its just the WRC ignored the law/looked the other way where it came to pheasants and chukar.

When someone pointed this out, now the law is being updated to reflect reality where it comes to shooting preserves.
 
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Law regulating release of exotic/ non native species:

113-292. Authority of the Wildlife Resources Commission in regulation of inland fishing and the introduction of exotic species

(e) It is unlawful for any person to:
(1) Release or place exotic species of wild animals or wild birds in an area for the purpose of stocking the area for hunting or trapping;
(2) Release or place species of wild animals or wild birds not indigenous to that area in an area for the purpose of stocking the area for hunting or trapping;

(3) Take by hunting or trapping any animal or bird released or placed in an area in contravention of subdivisions (1) and (2) of this subsection, except under a permit to hunt or trap which may be issued by the Wildlife Resources Commission for the purpose of eradicating or controlling the population of any species of wildlife that has been so released or placed in the area.

If it was legal for shooting preserves to release chukar, ect, the law would not have to be changed or clarified.
 

CRC

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Well they have been ignoring it when it comes to shooting preserves.

Now if HB 597 passes, the law and reality will be the same.

If the WRC has decided dog training is exempt from G.S. 113-192, so be it.
 

CRC

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Shooting preserves stock birds so people can kill them. Its put and take stocking.

1) Release or place exotic species of wild animals or wild birds in an area for the purpose of stocking the area for hunting or trapping;

(2) Release or place species of wild animals or wild birds not indigenous to that area in an area for the purpose of stocking the area for hunting or trapping;
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wncdeerhunter

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CRC said:
Not arguing. Just pointing out the law is indeed being changed to allow shooting preserve operators and users to stock and take partridges (game birds are already allowed- grouse, pheasant, quail).


HB 597 section 6(d)

Section 6(m)

Peace


https://www.ncleg.gov/Sessions/2019/Bills/House/PDF/H597v2.pdf
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Jesus H. Christ. Have you ever been to a preserve? Shot anything over a bird dog?

I really wonder what is going on with you and all your ramblings and pot stirring on here. Maybe get a hobby, or try hunting or fishing - you may enjoy it.
 
wncdeerhunter

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SUBCHAPTER 10H - REGULATED ACTIVITIES
SECTION .0100 - CONTROLLED HUNTING PRESERVES FOR DOMESTICALLY RAISED GAME BIRDS
15A NCAC 10H .0101 LICENSE TO OPERATE
(a) A controlled hunting preserve license entitles the holder or holders thereof, and their guests of that preserve to take or kill by shooting only, and without regard to sex or bag limits, starting October 1 and ending March 31, domestically-raised pheasants, chukar partridges, Hungarian partridges, Mallard ducks (as defined by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service) or other domestically raised game birds, except wild turkey.
 

CRC

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Partridges are not game birds.

The WRC realized they screwed up in allowing preserves to stock partridges and are requesting a law change to make it 100% legal.
 

CRC

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woodmoose said:
thanks for the belly laugh today,,,,all the Chukar hunters of the world thank you for letting them know that,,,,,,,
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I mean legally under NC law they are not game birds.

Where you see upland game birds in NC law and WRC rules it legally refers to quail, pheasant, grouse and wild turkey species.

Its why you don't need a game bird propagation permit to keep or raise chukar or Huns.
 
nccatfisher

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I mean legally under NC law they are not game birds.

Where you see upland game birds in NC law and WRC rules it legally refers to quail, pheasant, grouse and wild turkey species.

Its why you don't need a game bird propagation permit to keep or raise chukar or Huns.
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What is really funny is "You aren't arguing". LMAO How is it pheasant are considered game birds when they are invasive? I know the whole spill about the ones that were supposedly "native" on the outer banks but I also know how they got here originally so lets face it, they got here just like the ones we are talking about right now. Just a few hundred years earlier.

I mean you being an interpreter for the WRC is about like this fellow.
 

CRC

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Because state law legally declares all species of pheasants as game birds.


§ 113-129. Definitions relating to resources. The following definitions and their cognates apply in the description of the various marine and estuarine and wildlife resources:

(7d) Game Birds. – Migratory game birds and upland game birds.

(14b) Upland Game Birds. – Grouse, pheasant, quail, and wild turkey
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You are correct no species of pheasant is native to North Carolina.
 

CRC

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Further the current law being changed reads as follows:

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113-273. Dealer licenses

(g) Controlled Hunting Preserve Operator License. – The Wildlife Resources Commission is authorized by rule to set standards for and to license the operation of controlled hunting preserves operated by private persons. Controlled hunting preserves are of two types: one is an area marked with appropriate signs along the outside boundaries on which only domestically raised game birds other than wild turkeys are taken; the other is an area enclosed with a dog-proof fence on which foxes and coyotes may be hunted with dogs only. A controlled fox and coyote hunting preserve operated for private use may be of any size; a controlled hunting preserve operated for commercial purposes shall be an area of not less than 500 acres or of such size as set by regulation of the Wildlife Resources Commission, which shall take into account differences in terrain and topography, as well as the welfare of the wildlife. Operators of controlled fox hunting preserves may purchase live foxes and coyotes from licensed trappers who live-trap foxes and coyotes during any open season for trapping them and may, at any time, take live foxes from their preserves for sale to other licensed operators. The controlled hunting preserve operator license may be purchased for a fee of fifty dollars ($50.00), and is an annual license issued beginning 1 July each year running until the following 30 June.
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wncdeerhunter

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CRC said:
I mean legally under NC law they are not game birds.

Where you see upland game birds in NC law and WRC rules it legally refers to quail, pheasant, grouse and wild turkey species.

Its why you don't need a game bird propagation permit to keep or raise chukar or Huns.
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Maybe look at my last post - that verbiage was copied from the NCWRC site and specifically referenced your “non-game” birds.
 
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